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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 07:25 PM Jul 2013

Assad Praises Egypt Revolt Against Muslim Brotherhood, Says Its Spells End Of Political Islam

Source: Associated Press

BEIRUT - Syria's embattled president on Wednesday praised Egypt's protests against their leader and said his overthrow by the military means the end of "political Islam."

President Bashar Assad, who is seeking to crush a revolt against his own rule, said Egyptians have discovered the "lies" of the Muslim Brotherhood.

He spoke in an interview with the state-run Al-Thawra newspaper to be printed in full Thursday. Excerpts were published Wednesday night on the Syrian presidency's Facebook page, coinciding with the Egyptian military's announcement of Morsi's ouster.

"What is happening in Egypt is the fall of so-called political Islam," Assad said. "This is the fate of anyone in the world who tries to use religion for political or factional interests."


Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Syrian+regime+battling+revolt+urges+Egypts+president+step/8611643/story.html

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Assad Praises Egypt Revolt Against Muslim Brotherhood, Says Its Spells End Of Political Islam (Original Post) Purveyor Jul 2013 OP
"...the fate of anyone in the world who tries to use religion for political or factional interests" L0oniX Jul 2013 #1
Does that apply to Iran and Hezbollah? Fozzledick Jul 2013 #11
Religion and politics is volatile mix under the best of circumstances. Liberal Veteran Jul 2013 #2
+1. But the zealots want to do that here, too. It's unjust and should fail. freshwest Jul 2013 #4
Shamelessly stealing this. christx30 Jul 2013 #5
Excellent. Nt jessie04 Jul 2013 #6
Smartass. aquart Jul 2013 #3
Obviously rubbing it in, he is. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #17
Bashar al-Assad speaks the truth. David__77 Jul 2013 #7
Agreed. arewenotdemo Jul 2013 #13
Assad is not "progressive". He is a royal dictator who inherited the right to rule from his father pampango Jul 2013 #18
I said, "relatively speaking." David__77 Jul 2013 #19
Yep, he is a prick, but he is a modern prick, no sharia law. bemildred Jul 2013 #20
What exactly were these "US plots against the Shah" for which Carter "paid the price in 1980". pampango Jul 2013 #22
good, this means they can turn to others who use their powers against the people JI7 Jul 2013 #8
Re: here's yet another reason ... mallard Jul 2013 #9
Morsi apparently went to a gathering of Egyptians wanting to act in Syria. joshcryer Jul 2013 #10
I wonder if some of those Egyptian jihadis won't turn their eyes back home now. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #12
Or will Obama now divert some of his Syrian "blacksmiths" to Egypt? arewenotdemo Jul 2013 #14
Well one thing is for sure, Morsi's popular support seems meager at best. joshcryer Jul 2013 #15
Now there's a ringing endorsement for free government. marble falls Jul 2013 #16
people in Egypt saw they didn't have to pick between Mubarak or the Islamists JI7 Jul 2013 #21
Shhhh. Assad's line all along has been "you are either with me or with the terrorists". pampango Jul 2013 #23
 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
1. "...the fate of anyone in the world who tries to use religion for political or factional interests"
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 07:30 PM
Jul 2013

Message to GOP.

Fozzledick

(3,860 posts)
11. Does that apply to Iran and Hezbollah?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:06 PM
Jul 2013

Or only to religious factions that oppose Assad?

(Another interesting recent quote: "What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?&quot

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
2. Religion and politics is volatile mix under the best of circumstances.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 07:30 PM
Jul 2013

It is far more likely to blow up in your face than produce utopia.

David__77

(23,553 posts)
7. Bashar al-Assad speaks the truth.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:36 PM
Jul 2013

This is no psychopath by any means. Assad represents, sadly, the most progressive force (relatively speaking) among the Arab leaders today.

 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
13. Agreed.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 02:56 AM
Jul 2013

And I'd be very interested to know the specifics of the West's involvement in initiating the rebellion against him.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
18. Assad is not "progressive". He is a royal dictator who inherited the right to rule from his father
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jul 2013

and enforces it with his secret police. I suppose the Shah of Iran was "progressive" too and his secret police kept him in power for a long time.

Towards the end of his rule, it was American conservatives (accustomed to supporting foreign dictators) who wanted the US support him and his son (the idea of a son inheriting the right to rule from his father is not new) to stay, and fight if necessary, and rule Iran. It was President Carter and liberals who wanted the US to facilitate the Shah's departure rather than push Iran into a possible civil war.

David__77

(23,553 posts)
19. I said, "relatively speaking."
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 06:09 PM
Jul 2013

I think that the US plots against the Shah were a mistake, and Carter paid the price in 1980.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
20. Yep, he is a prick, but he is a modern prick, no sharia law.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 03:31 AM
Jul 2013

And yeah, insisting on having your own way all the time is stupid, unless you really don't need anybody else.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
22. What exactly were these "US plots against the Shah" for which Carter "paid the price in 1980".
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 06:31 AM
Jul 2013

Encouraging a dictator to leave is bad foreign policy?

Explanations for why the Shah was overthrown include that he was a dictator put in place by a non-Muslim Western power, the United States, whose foreign culture was seen as influencing that of Iran. Additional contributing factors included reports of oppression, brutality, corruption, and extravagance. Basic functional failures of the regime have also been blamed — economic bottlenecks, shortages and inflation; the regime's over-ambitious economic program; the failure of its security forces to deal with protest and demonstration; the overly centralized royal power structure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi

For some reason this article did not mention plots by US liberals, like Carter, against the Shah as a factor in his overthrow.

Rather than "plotting against the Shah", should we have encouraged him, and later his son, to unleash the army and plunge Iran into a civil war to preserve their royal rule? I think it would not have taken much encouragement for him to do just this.

In Egypt, to extend the Iran comparison, should the US support rather than "plot against" a secular dictator who could emerge from the military coup? A new Pharoah (since this is Egypt, nor Iran), who imposed modernity through "oppression, brutality, corruption, and extravagance" (like the Shah) would be a good thing? If so we should thank the Egyptian military (and its US backers?) for overthrowing the Muslim Brotherhood government.

JI7

(89,276 posts)
8. good, this means they can turn to others who use their powers against the people
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:41 PM
Jul 2013

in injust ways.

just like end of Mubarak did not mean people would embrace islamic fundies , the end of the muslim brotherhood does not mean people will accept an alternative power which continues to oppress and not provide for the people.

mallard

(569 posts)
9. Re: here's yet another reason ...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:52 PM
Jul 2013

... to have left Syria be instead of arming a radical opposition bound to create a violent future, or to have upheld continued basic support for Mubarak, when three years running things are still turmoil in Egypt.

One counter-argument might favor the goal of destabilizing the entire region. It comes to looking that way after decades of peace and relative calm, but who really wants a weak and restless Arab World?

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
10. Morsi apparently went to a gathering of Egyptians wanting to act in Syria.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:56 PM
Jul 2013
At the June 15 rally, Sunni Muslim clerics used the word “infidels” to denounce both the Shi'ites fighting to protect Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and the non-Islamists that oppose Morsi at home.

Morsi himself called for foreign intervention in Syria against Assad, leading to a veiled rebuke from the army, which issued an apparently bland but sharp-edged statement the next day stressing that its only role was guarding Egypt's borders.

http://www.voanews.com/content/egypt-army-says-morsi-role-at-syria-rally-seen-as-turning-point/1693911.html
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
12. I wonder if some of those Egyptian jihadis won't turn their eyes back home now.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 02:27 AM
Jul 2013

And will AQ and the rest declare jihad against the Egyptian military?

 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
14. Or will Obama now divert some of his Syrian "blacksmiths" to Egypt?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 03:00 AM
Jul 2013

To avenge the overthrow of Brother Morsi?

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
15. Well one thing is for sure, Morsi's popular support seems meager at best.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 03:04 AM
Jul 2013

I know if the guy I elected got ousted by a coup I'd be all up in arms...

JI7

(89,276 posts)
21. people in Egypt saw they didn't have to pick between Mubarak or the Islamists
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 04:12 AM
Jul 2013

and what will Assad do when people in Syria also see that

pampango

(24,692 posts)
23. Shhhh. Assad's line all along has been "you are either with me or with the terrorists".
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 06:48 AM
Jul 2013

We all know which US president he stole that line from.

He has used that line from the beginning in 2011 when massive peaceful protests were not even urging his departure, just a more open and representative government. Repressing peaceful protests in a police state is not that difficult but eliminating that element of the opposition also opens the door for more violent actors.

His tactic proves to other dictators that if you use the army to put down democracy movements, particularly in the Middle East, you may be unpopular at the beginning but, as time goes on, the repression will bring out the most violent wings of the domestic opposition to you and attract "really bad characters" from elsewhere.

Voila! You are no longer the bad dictator opposing large peaceful protests but a great sectarian leader opposing religious fanatics. He has largely won this the PR battle. Practically everyone on the left and right think that now the only 2 choices left are Assad or the jihadists; that there is no third choice. Now that he has driven the conflict to the point of "You have to choose between a bad guy and a worse guy", he is looking pretty good. Now the army just has to win the military battle. With a continuing supply of tanks, planes and ammunition that should not be too hard. There is a lesson here for dictators everywhere.

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