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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:15 AM Jul 2013

Latin America rising: Outrage at ‘imperial hijack’ of Morales’ plane

Source: RT News

Latin American leaders are meeting to discuss the “hijack” of Bolivian president Evo Morales’ plane in Austria. Regional leaders presented a united front, defending Latin American sovereignty in the face of what they see as post-colonial imperialism.

The Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) will hold an emergency meeting to discuss the EU air blockade that forced the Bolivian President Evo Morales to land in Austria on Wednesday. France, Spain, Portugal and Italy all closed their airspace amid suspicions the NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden had stowed away on board the president’s craft.

The 12 nations that are part of the regional block will have a ministerial meeting in the Peruvian capital of Lima to discuss the consequences.

So far Bolivia has already resolved to take an official complaint to the UN over the incident, alleging that the US was undoubtedly the instigator.

"What's at stake here is ... the dignity of Bolivia and the dignity of Latin America," said Sacha Llorenti Soliz, Bolivia’s envoy to the UN on Wednesday in Geneva. Bolivian vice-president Alvaro Garcia Linera for his part likened the incident to an “imperialist hijack.”

Read more: http://rt.com/news/latin-america-outrage-bolivia-plane-653/

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Latin America rising: Outrage at ‘imperial hijack’ of Morales’ plane (Original Post) dipsydoodle Jul 2013 OP
Condor lifting off in 3...2...1... Berlum Jul 2013 #1
Oh, but it was just a faulty fuel gauge-- Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #2
Ever occur to you that this is just an excuse? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #14
oh kardonb Jul 2013 #15
Which fake scandal are we talking about? Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #18
NOW we see it clearly Plucketeer Jul 2013 #3
we say that too, Pluck. but we are concerned for our grandchildren, the oldest of which is only 14 secondwind Jul 2013 #4
Yes, I deal with what you speak of Plucketeer Jul 2013 #6
It is older people who must lead the way! We know what it used to be like with REAL NEWS Dustlawyer Jul 2013 #9
That's REALLY what it winnows down to Plucketeer Jul 2013 #10
Structured campaigns should be an effective and feasible alternative to public financing. Maineman Jul 2013 #12
Its mind over matter dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #5
Ouch, but true. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #16
+1000 heaven05 Jul 2013 #8
South American public opinion and the actions of their leaders is mainly what counts byeya Jul 2013 #7
Of course the US was the instigator. Filthy American imperialism.. celticnachos Jul 2013 #11
After this incident, I think Snowden's chances of finding asylum somewhere in South America winter is coming Jul 2013 #13
"Alleging that the US was the instigator"? Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #17
LOL! The US government loves people like you. lunatica Jul 2013 #19
not as bad as "kidnapping" but still a ridiculous exaggeration treestar Jul 2013 #20
Spain's "El Pais" editorial: Intolerable treatment Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #21
the Spanish ambassador to Vienna did this shit on his own mitchtv Jul 2013 #22
They didn't get a quorum struggle4progress Jul 2013 #23
 

kardonb

(777 posts)
15. oh
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 01:14 PM
Jul 2013

never mind the FACTS , just keep believing radical propaganda to throw dirt and punmp up another fake " scandal " .

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
18. Which fake scandal are we talking about?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 02:43 PM
Jul 2013

The only two I know about are Benghazi and this thing about the IRS.

I don't hear Darrell Issa calling for an investigation about whether NSA programs like BLARNEY violate the Fourth Amendment or whether the Obama Administration is generally letting too much of Bush's ham handed assault on civil liberties stand in order to "fight terrorism." He certainly wouldn't want to investigate whether the administration used diplomatic manipulation to corner the president of a sovereign state in Vienna. That's too much like Bush's ham handed assault on international law, for which he and other members of his junta have not yet been prosecuted.

So, as long as President Obama is violating civil liberties or treating the President of Bolivia like a lowly subject of the American Empire, Issa won't touch it any more than he's going to touch the administration's failure to prosecute Wall Street bankers or any other real scandal.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
3. NOW we see it clearly
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:32 AM
Jul 2013

With ALL the gamepieces outta the bag, it's obvious how LITTLE We the People count in this new millenium. Of course, collectively, we stood by - eyes wide open - and LET it happen. Tho it likely smacks of cowardice, I reiterate that I'm glad I'm in the twilight of my years.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
4. we say that too, Pluck. but we are concerned for our grandchildren, the oldest of which is only 14
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:35 AM
Jul 2013

and female, to boot... the other three are boys.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
6. Yes, I deal with what you speak of
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:48 AM
Jul 2013

That's why I prefaced myself with the cowardice disclaimer. I have kids and grandkids too. I'm not very proud of what I know I've been complicit in handing off to them. If I had no conscience, I might find solace in the bliss of their ignornace. But even if I'm the only one to know the ball was nuged from where it lay, the champagne simply can not taste as good as it should.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
9. It is older people who must lead the way! We know what it used to be like with REAL NEWS
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:39 AM
Jul 2013

Organizations, politicians that knew what "compromise" meant, there used to be more fish to catch, and a media not co-opted by big business. We really know better! We need to rally around COMPLETE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM (CCFR) and get publicly funded elections passed! Lets take the bribes out of political office and keep our politicians from spending 75% of their time "fundraising!"

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
10. That's REALLY what it winnows down to
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:54 AM
Jul 2013

Hell, I'd run for congress if I didn't have to be wealthy to start with AND well connected.

Maineman

(854 posts)
12. Structured campaigns should be an effective and feasible alternative to public financing.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 12:23 PM
Jul 2013

For example,

1. Require equal numbers of campaign ads in all primary media (TV, radio, newspapers). No matter how much ad time is bought by corporations and billionaires, the media must wait until the other candidates have ad buys for equal time. I see no first amendment argument against requiring equal time.

2. Modest public funding could pay for fairly moderated televised debates.

3. Pretend news, ads disguised as news, would be disallowed, and a media entity would loose its license for at least a year for breaking this rule. This would affect all the principals, not just the name of the particular TV station, etc.

4. Cooked up demonstrations created or funded by behind-the-scenes billionaires or their operatives would lead to investigations and broadly publicized reports - multiple reports required of all primary media.

5. News coverage of in-person political events must also be given equal time among all viable candidates.

Everything that is feasible and enforceable needs to be done to neutralize the effect of imbalanced funding. Elections need to be about votes and issues, not money and dirty tricks.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
7. South American public opinion and the actions of their leaders is mainly what counts
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:53 AM
Jul 2013

now and bears close watching. Changes in international relations will, or will not, come from them, not us.

 

celticnachos

(14 posts)
11. Of course the US was the instigator. Filthy American imperialism..
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:56 AM
Jul 2013

Not only are the Latin American countries threatened by American imperialism, but the whole world. Throughout history US imperialism has only caused terror. For example, when the Reagan administration intervened in El Salvador to support the fascist tyranny. It makes me sad that the US is still an imperialist force in the world.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
13. After this incident, I think Snowden's chances of finding asylum somewhere in South America
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 12:29 PM
Jul 2013

have increased dramatically.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
17. "Alleging that the US was the instigator"?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 02:06 PM
Jul 2013

Is it our fault that the Europeans try to earn brownie points with us by doing what they think we want them to do?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. not as bad as "kidnapping" but still a ridiculous exaggeration
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jul 2013

misuse of words to make something seem worse than it is.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
21. Spain's "El Pais" editorial: Intolerable treatment
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 03:35 PM
Jul 2013

Intolerable treatment

The diversion of Evo Morales’ plane reveals European weakness in the face of US pressure

El País 4 JUL 2013 - 20:36 CET

After being held up in the airport of Vienna for more than 13 hours, the presidential airplane of Evo Morales was finally able to resume its flight to Bolivia on Wednesday, after a stopover in the Canary Islands, in an episode whose grotesque aspects should not obscure the political ones: a diplomatic crisis based on a gratuitous humiliation inflicted upon a head of state.

The plane carrying the Bolivian president, who had been in Moscow to attend a meeting of gas-producing countries, had to land in the Austrian capital because several countries had refused permission to utilize their airspace on the flight back to Bolivia. The reason? The mere suspicion that the former US National Security Agency analyst, Edward Snowden, wanted in his country for having blown the whistle on its massive espionage practices, might be traveling aboard.

The delay was rightly considered an intolerable affront, and Morales received immediate expressions of support from other Latin American countries — Argentina, Ecuador, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Chile, Uruguay and others. Though the Bolivian vice president, Álvaro García Linera, exaggerated when he declared that Evo was being “held hostage” in Europe and that his life had been put in danger, it is true that there is no precedent for this sort of treatment, which contravenes all the treaties and rules of international diplomacy that accord immunity to the planes in which heads of state are traveling.

The fact is that the pursuit of a person wanted by the American justice system has led various governments to trample all over these rules and treaties. And behind this behavior stands the huge pressure exerted by the United States on its European friends and allies to secure Snowden’s detention, and the shameful ease with which many of them have bowed to these pressures, in contrast with the caution and timidity these same states have shown when it comes to defending their own citizens against the US secret services’ massive interference in their communications — both those of private individuals and public organizations and news media.

More:
http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/07/04/inenglish/1372962590_018332.html

mitchtv

(17,718 posts)
22. the Spanish ambassador to Vienna did this shit on his own
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 05:09 PM
Jul 2013

no diplomat with any brains would try to search a head of state's plane. They (SPANISH) still have a colonial attitude , which is why they are held in such low regard throughout Latino America. I hope he got the bum's rush he deserved

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