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think

(11,641 posts)
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 06:03 PM Jul 2013

Bolivia's Morales: Plane Diversion Was U.S. Plot To Intimidate Latin American Leaders

Source: Huffington Post

By CARLOS VALDEZ 07/04/13 05:06 PM ET EDT

LA PAZ, Bolivia — Bolivian President Evo Morales said Thursday that the rerouting of his plane over suspicions that National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden was on board was a plot by the U.S. to intimidate him and other Latin American leaders.

Morales, long a fierce critic of U.S. policy toward Latin America, received a hero's welcome from a cheering crowd in La Paz airport late Wednesday night.

His return followed a dramatic, unplanned 14-hour layover in Vienna that ignited an international diplomatic row. Bolivia's government said France, Spain and Portugal refused to let the president's plane through their airspace, forcing it to land in Austria. He was flying home from a summit in Russia.

Latin American leaders were outraged by the incident, calling it a violation of national sovereignty and a slap in the face for a region that has suffered through humiliations by Europe and several U.S.-backed military coups. Several South American presidents were headed to the Bolivian city of Cochabamba on Thursday to show their support for the leftist leader.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/04/bolivia-morales-us-plot_n_3547812.html

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Bolivia's Morales: Plane Diversion Was U.S. Plot To Intimidate Latin American Leaders (Original Post) think Jul 2013 OP
Screw Morales and the plane he rode in on. He doesn't like The USA or Obama... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #1
Obama and his cohorts. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #6
Who are the three people in that image? penultimate Jul 2013 #14
LBJ, Robt MacNamera & Reagan baldguy Jul 2013 #31
Ahhh... I recognized Reagan but that was it... penultimate Jul 2013 #36
"therefore I believe anything he says is either an exaggeration or a lie" Considering your Purveyor Jul 2013 #8
+1 nt boilerbabe Jul 2013 #35
What is the term for someone Maedhros Jul 2013 #39
The Bush Administration worked hard to destabilize Bolivia and issued rather thinly veiled threats struggle4progress Jul 2013 #10
How Is That US Propaganda Working Out For You - Have A Happy Fourth cantbeserious Jul 2013 #11
So foriegn leaders are required to like Obama or you say "screw you" to them? totodeinhere Jul 2013 #13
LOL! City Lights Jul 2013 #23
See? He doesn't even LIKE Obama.Hah...Take that ,you liberals. abq e streeter Jul 2013 #25
Could it be the President is getting some really bad advice from a coterie of right-wing indepat Jul 2013 #2
He may be but as president he should be talking to a wide range of advisers representing totodeinhere Jul 2013 #15
Yeah but the right wing is scary. Ash_F Jul 2013 #20
Had not intended to infer that all the President's men were right-wingers. On the other hand, I indepat Jul 2013 #24
More likely that Morales is lying through his teeth baldguy Jul 2013 #32
That seems very unlikely, given that his story has been corroborated. Maedhros Jul 2013 #40
Corroborated from several sources. byeya Jul 2013 #45
The US is looking worse & worse to the world. After shrub 2 x they were so relieved by O, sadly it peacebird Jul 2013 #3
I voted for Obama. Little did I know he would turn in to an arrogant bully. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #5
Obama worse than Bush?!# What is this, DUFox? Rstrstx Jul 2013 #41
Morales has been giving the USA the middle finger for some time now Cleita Jul 2013 #4
There's no recent "we have succeeded in united SA against us." Igel Jul 2013 #18
They've been doing a lot better than when I lived in South America fifty years ago. Cleita Jul 2013 #21
Again, I ask what denial are you refering to exactly? cstanleytech Jul 2013 #34
Happy 4th of July! Iliyah Jul 2013 #7
Happy 4th of July to you as well! think Jul 2013 #9
My father was in Vietnam and the US lost Iliyah Jul 2013 #12
We should all honor the service of your father and others like him even though the Viet Nam War totodeinhere Jul 2013 #17
The Vietnam one word and then war Iliyah Jul 2013 #22
What was exceptional about America were the diverse pool of immigrants and our Constitution. indepat Jul 2013 #43
Cheap dramatics. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #16
The only thing cheap around here are the shots..... think Jul 2013 #19
oh well, maybe the chinese will treat him better... madrchsod Jul 2013 #26
I'm confused to be honest. I read one story that claims the pilot told ground control cstanleytech Jul 2013 #27
Absolutely none. baldguy Jul 2013 #33
so it had nothing to do with snowden ? JI7 Jul 2013 #28
ROFLMAO! SoapBox Jul 2013 #29
Home to hiding the Nazis when our right wing dictators ruled those countries think Jul 2013 #30
The US under Reagan fought tooth and nail to protect those Ash_F Jul 2013 #37
We propped up those tin pot dictators in Latin America. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2013 #42
Then close the embassy, Evo. Don't talk about it. Do it. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #38
Obama should remain silent and let Morales run his mouth hack89 Jul 2013 #44
Unlike those reading from a script, Obama knows he has stepped in it and has nothing byeya Jul 2013 #46
Or he knows to say nothing when your opponent can't control his mouth. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #47

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
1. Screw Morales and the plane he rode in on. He doesn't like The USA or Obama...
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 06:07 PM
Jul 2013

... therefore I believe anything he says is either an exaggeration or a lie - for propaganda purposes.

Happy 4th everyone



 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
31. LBJ, Robt MacNamera & Reagan
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:42 PM
Jul 2013

Not exactly bosom buddies. The misguided left-wing anti-Obama propaganda has hit bottom quicker than the misguided Tea Bagger anti-Obama propaganda did.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
8. "therefore I believe anything he says is either an exaggeration or a lie" Considering your
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 06:32 PM
Jul 2013

posts of the last day or so, the same could be said about you, yes?

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
39. What is the term for someone
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jul 2013

who determines the worth of a person based upon that person's approval of one's country or President?

struggle4progress

(118,294 posts)
10. The Bush Administration worked hard to destabilize Bolivia and issued rather thinly veiled threats
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 06:39 PM
Jul 2013

regarding election outcomes. So it's not really surprising that there's some real distrust of the US there.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
13. So foriegn leaders are required to like Obama or you say "screw you" to them?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 07:33 PM
Jul 2013

Did you ever stop to think that Evo and other leaders like him might have good reason not to like Obama?

abq e streeter

(7,658 posts)
25. See? He doesn't even LIKE Obama.Hah...Take that ,you liberals.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 08:09 PM
Jul 2013

What..no more sarcasm emoticon? Just in case, yes, it was.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
15. He may be but as president he should be talking to a wide range of advisers representing
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 07:35 PM
Jul 2013

more than one point of view. If all Obama is listening to is right wing advisers then I blame him for that.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
24. Had not intended to infer that all the President's men were right-wingers. On the other hand, I
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 08:08 PM
Jul 2013

do not recall any liberals or progressives in high-level positions in the Administration. Would personally have preferred the retired 4-star General Clark as Secretary of Defense rather than any Republican, but what do I know? Also was initially puzzled that Governor Dean had not been nominated to serve in a cabinet-level post, but again, what do I know? I do know for sure that the President has been screwed over by virtually every Republican in Washington and there is no Republican I would trust in any high-level position in government.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
32. More likely that Morales is lying through his teeth
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jul 2013

And his plane being diverted had everything to do with the ineptness of the Bolivian flight crew, and absolutely nothing to do with Obama & his advisers.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
3. The US is looking worse & worse to the world. After shrub 2 x they were so relieved by O, sadly it
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 06:08 PM
Jul 2013

appears O has carried on a number of shrubs worst programs, and even his crowning achievement is more of a win for insurance companies than consumers.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. I voted for Obama. Little did I know he would turn in to an arrogant bully.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 06:19 PM
Jul 2013

Dayum, the whole world thought he would be a huge improvement over shrub. In many ways, he's turned out worse. Really sucks that a holiday supposed to celebrate freedom is instead filled with disappointment and embarrassment for my country.

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
41. Obama worse than Bush?!# What is this, DUFox?
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 03:09 PM
Jul 2013

Obama isn't perfect but please explain how Bush would have been better than Obama about anything.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
4. Morales has been giving the USA the middle finger for some time now
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jul 2013

and our State Department is unhappy that he's not acting like a good lap dog to Uncle Sam. I think we have made a major political blunder with this move. We have succeeded in uniting South America against us with what is perceived as a disrespectful treatment of a head of a sovereign nation.

Things might start getting interesting.

Igel

(35,318 posts)
18. There's no recent "we have succeeded in united SA against us."
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 07:39 PM
Jul 2013

The leaders involved were already united.

When no incitement is provided by external events, one is provided internally.

Still waiting to hear what actually happened. Apparently the denial of airspace by France was a late confirmation of approval. A rather different kind of thing. Then there was the plane-search that never actually happened but which might have happened.

Morales got a twofer out of that. First, outrage on his behalf by his defenders of the slight of having his plane searched. Then outrage at the idea that people --not his defenders, of course--would humiliate him by thinking he would allow such a thing.

Morales is funny. Easy to humiliate, sometimes by accident and misconstrual. But also quick to try to humiliate--which shows that he really doesn't get the dominant culture in the US or that he's simply playing to his base. Or both. (Which is my opinion--he's unable to think others might be different from himself or his view of them. On the other hand, he's a skilled politician and knows how to provoke his people to adulation.)

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
21. They've been doing a lot better than when I lived in South America fifty years ago.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 07:49 PM
Jul 2013

But this seals the deal. They will be very united from now on. Any petty squabbles about borders, resources and economic inequities will be set aside in order to defy American Imperialism. This is the last straw.

Actually, something you don't understand about South Americans is that respect for each other and especially a person of leadership is important. Americans like humiliating heads of state they don't like, but that's because most of them have no respect for themselves. Look how the Tea Party treats Obama, like he's not good enough to be our President.

That kind of disrespect does not happen in South America unless there is a coup and the deposed head of state gets killed. So when we bully a head of state like Chavez or Morales, it's not well received.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
34. Again, I ask what denial are you refering to exactly?
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:23 AM
Jul 2013

Because to be honest I am reading conflicting reports that the plane landed where they landed because they asked to land due to problems not because they were turned away.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
12. My father was in Vietnam and the US lost
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 07:23 PM
Jul 2013

came home and some (thank God a few) Americans treated him like trash. 9/11 happened and in my opinion they could have avioded it . .

But the one things I picked up from him to this day,

CHERISH YOUR FREEDOM. No country is like ours.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
17. We should all honor the service of your father and others like him even though the Viet Nam War
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 07:38 PM
Jul 2013

was a mistake. But "no country is like ours?" I am disappointed to see American exceptionalism pushed at DU. There certain;y is nothing exceptional about this country. We are worse off than most industrialized countries.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
22. The Vietnam one word and then war
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 07:52 PM
Jul 2013

and yes, not like ours. France, UK, and even Brazil citizens feels the same way about their country. All the effing faults the USA have, I rather live here.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
43. What was exceptional about America were the diverse pool of immigrants and our Constitution.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 04:49 PM
Jul 2013

Sadly junior said and acted as if the Constitution, which he swore to preserve, protect, and defend, were just a piece of paper. His and continuing contempt for the Constitution, except for the sacrosanct 2nd Amendment, have prevailed in the guise of keeping us safe from terra, with trillions of dollars having been expended to keep us safe from that ubiquitous terra. In the meanwhile the infrastructure, the jobs market, and the standard of living for the masses, have gone to hell in a hand-basket. Moreover, thousands die on the streets, having been shot to death with largely unregulated hand-guns and military-grade assault weapons because, in America, the right to bear arms is considered by too many to be absolute and hysteria reigns when any attempt is made for sensible regulation. In this respect, American exceptional ism outshines the rest of the industrialized world.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
27. I'm confused to be honest. I read one story that claims the pilot told ground control
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:25 PM
Jul 2013

and I quote


"Control tower: Do you need any assistance?

Pilot: Not at this moment. We need to land because we cannot get a correct indication of the fuel indication so as a precaution we need to land."

So is that true? If so then is Morales claiming the US messed with the plane and if thats the case what evidence does Morales have to support that claim?

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
33. Absolutely none.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:48 PM
Jul 2013

And even if it turns out that the US had nothing to do with it, there are people that would say it's still Obama's fault.

Sickening.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
29. ROFLMAO!
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:17 PM
Jul 2013

Ah yes...the "CONSPIRACY" Theories take hold.

South America...home to the hiding Nazis. What a great culture.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
30. Home to hiding the Nazis when our right wing dictators ruled those countries
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:19 PM
Jul 2013


School of Americas baby.....

http://www.soaw.org/

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
37. The US under Reagan fought tooth and nail to protect those
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 01:30 AM
Jul 2013

who protected the Nazi's.

Spoiler alert: Those people got rejected by the people of South America over the last twenty years, much to the Republicans chagrin.

Your chagrin too?

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
42. We propped up those tin pot dictators in Latin America.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 03:15 PM
Jul 2013

People like Morales were elected in direct response and protest of the fascists we propped up.


Maybe you should read a little and get out before looking like a racist xenophobic bigot.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
44. Obama should remain silent and let Morales run his mouth
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 05:17 PM
Jul 2013

if nothing else, it will be entertaining as hell when he reaches the arm flapping, frothing at the mouth stage.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
46. Unlike those reading from a script, Obama knows he has stepped in it and has nothing
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 05:27 PM
Jul 2013

to base a statement on except more lies.

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