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GeorgeGist

(25,322 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:12 AM Jul 2013

Top special operations officer directed shift of bin Laden records to CIA to keep files secret

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's top special operations commander ordered military files about the Navy SEAL raid on Osama bin Laden's hideout to be purged from Defense Department computers and sent to the CIA, where they could be more easily shielded from ever being made public.

The secret move, described briefly in a draft report by the Pentagon's inspector general, set off no alarms within the Obama administration even though it appears to have sidestepped federal rules and perhaps also the Freedom of Information Act.

An acknowledgement by Adm. William McRaven of his actions was quietly removed from the final version of an inspector general's report published weeks ago. A spokesman for the admiral declined to comment. The CIA, noting that the bin Laden mission was overseen by then-CIA Director Leon Panetta before he became defense secretary, said that the SEALs were effectively assigned to work temporarily for the CIA, which has presidential authority to conduct covert operations.

"Documents related to the raid were handled in a manner consistent with the fact that the operation was conducted under the direction of the CIA director," agency spokesman Preston Golson said in an emailed statement. "Records of a CIA operation such as the (bin Laden) raid, which were created during the conduct of the operation by persons acting under the authority of the CIA Director, are CIA records."

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BIN_LADEN_FILES_PURGED?SITE=OKPON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-08-03-31-32



More transparency ... avoided.
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Top special operations officer directed shift of bin Laden records to CIA to keep files secret (Original Post) GeorgeGist Jul 2013 OP
Spoke the McRaven: "Nevermore." Berlum Jul 2013 #1
Bullshit. blackspade Jul 2013 #2
Hiding the phony vaccination program? formercia Jul 2013 #3
I forgot about that! bananas Jul 2013 #4
Here...I'll take the opportunity to remind everyone what the CIA did.... truth2power Jul 2013 #7
McRaven gave the order -- that's interesting starroute Jul 2013 #5
Which pretty much proves what we were told about the operation is all bullshit. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #6
Or start musing about how bin Laden was a CIA asset, back in the day... truth2power Jul 2013 #8
"another Jessica Lynch story" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #9
Did you run out of this? Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #12
You're accusing the Obama administration of a hoax re: bin Laden killing. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #13
Are you saying that there isn't a cover up going on? Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #14
Operational details of covert missions are typically classified. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #15
They are not typically wiped from DOD computers and shipped to the CIA, however. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #19
Given what happened with Snowden/Booz Allen, maybe not. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #20
Is it a violation of the law, as the article implies? nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #21
I have no idea--I'm not a specialist in that kind of law. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #22
probably a good idea to keep real secret stuff away from DOD computers where Sunlei Jul 2013 #10
Some conspiracy theorists have alleged that... TRoN33 Jul 2013 #11
Some Say TimeToGo Jul 2013 #16
Really? And who do they think he is torturing? n/t A Simple Game Jul 2013 #17
Of course, 12 years ago nobody remembers James R Bath links Houses of Bush and bin Laden. Octafish Jul 2013 #18

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
1. Spoke the McRaven: "Nevermore."
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:19 AM
Jul 2013

"nevermore shall ye smelly proles know what your Government, Inc. does in thy name." - McRaven

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
2. Bullshit.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:35 AM
Jul 2013
"Documents related to the raid were handled in a manner consistent with the fact that the operation was conducted under the direction of the CIA director," agency spokesman Preston Golson said in an emailed statement. "Records of a CIA operation such as the (bin Laden) raid, which were created during the conduct of the operation by persons acting under the authority of the CIA Director, are CIA records."


More double-speak.
Transparency fail.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
7. Here...I'll take the opportunity to remind everyone what the CIA did....
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 10:45 AM
Jul 2013
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna

CIA organised fake vaccination drive to get Osama bin Laden's family DNA

The CIA organised a fake vaccination programme in the town where it believed Osama bin Laden was hiding in an elaborate attempt to obtain DNA from the fugitive al-Qaida leader's family, a Guardian investigation has found.

As part of extensive preparations for the raid that killed Bin Laden in May, CIA agents recruited a senior Pakistani doctor to organise the vaccine drive in Abbottabad, even starting the "project" in a poorer part of town to make it look more authentic, according to Pakistani and US officials and local residents.

The doctor, Shakil Afridi, has since been arrested by the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) for co-operating with American intelligence agents.

....more



The blowback from this is that some health workers were attacked and murdered.

Pakistan is one of three countries where Polio is still endemic. So...how many children will contract polio because of the CIA's execrable machinations?

Oh, I forgot...USA! USA!

starroute

(12,977 posts)
5. McRaven gave the order -- that's interesting
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 10:28 AM
Jul 2013

Here's something from 2004 on the then-ongoing hunt for bin Laden.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2004/03/14/the-hunt-heats-up.html

NEWSWEEK has learned that McRaven is heading up Task Force 121, a covert, miniature strike force with a command structure so secretive that McRaven's role hasn't even been reported until now.

Task Force 121, which also helped to capture Saddam Hussein under McRaven's command, represents something brand-new in warfare, a pure hybrid of civilian intelligence and military striking power. It is the most ambitious melding yet of CIA assets, Special Forces (mainly the Army's Delta Force) and the Air Force. Formed late last year as part of Joint Special Operations Command--the secret "black ops" under Maj. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who until recently was deputy operations director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff--it is designed to produce a lightning-fast reaction should intel locate bin Laden or any other "high-value targets" anywhere for a few hours. It's a work in progress: CIA Director George Tenet meets frequently with Gen. John Abizaid, the head of Central Command, to nurture the marriage.

McRaven has managed to bridge both the civilian and military worlds. While working at the National Security Council after 9/11, he was principal author of the White House strategy for combating terrorism. McRaven also literally wrote the book on Special Ops, a 1995 history of surgical strike teams from the Nazi rescue of Mussolini in 1943 to the 1976 Israeli raid on Entebbe. And his thesis at naval postgrad school is now mandatory reading for Special Ops commanders. "Bill is reputed to be the smartest SEAL that ever lived," says a former commander who knows McRaven well. "He is physically tough, compassionate and can drive a knife through your ribs in a nanosecond." According to his former boss at the White House, Gen. Wayne Downing, "if anybody is smart and cunning enough to get [bin Laden], McRaven and the Delta and SEAL Team Six guys he now commands will do it."

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
6. Which pretty much proves what we were told about the operation is all bullshit.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 10:37 AM
Jul 2013

Fail.

I guess they don't want us to find out it was another Jessica Lynch story.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
8. Or start musing about how bin Laden was a CIA asset, back in the day...
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 10:48 AM
Jul 2013

Just going back to clean up our sh*t.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. "another Jessica Lynch story"
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 10:52 AM
Jul 2013

You think bin Laden wasn't killed that night?

What are your sources--from your friends in the Assad regime?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
13. You're accusing the Obama administration of a hoax re: bin Laden killing.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:05 AM
Jul 2013

Have the guts to spell out what you think the hoax is.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
14. Are you saying that there isn't a cover up going on?
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:09 AM
Jul 2013

Is this article lying?

Are you saying the military doesn't lie?

Why hide the evidence if the story is already known?

Now go apply generous amounts.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. Operational details of covert missions are typically classified.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:12 AM
Jul 2013

Perhaps the reasoning for this is too complex for you to grasp.

Romulus Quirinus

(524 posts)
19. They are not typically wiped from DOD computers and shipped to the CIA, however.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 02:00 PM
Jul 2013

Regardless of what Arctic Dave believes happened that night in Abbotabad, this is odd.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
22. I have no idea--I'm not a specialist in that kind of law.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 02:41 PM
Jul 2013

Given the joint ownership of the raid, there's probably some degree of fuzziness over proper procedures.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. probably a good idea to keep real secret stuff away from DOD computers where
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 10:53 AM
Jul 2013

how many thousands have access.?

How many thousands of 'workers' vetted by scam companies like the one who gave security clearances to Snowden?

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
11. Some conspiracy theorists have alleged that...
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 10:55 AM
Jul 2013

bin Laden is still alive and kicking in CIA's torture rooms.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. Of course, 12 years ago nobody remembers James R Bath links Houses of Bush and bin Laden.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jul 2013

The short version: Back in the day when George W was defendin' Texas from the Air Force of North Vietnam, he met a man by the name of James R Bath. They both were drummed off the flight line for failing to take physical exams -- coincidently, no doubt, right about the same time the government starting testing pilots for illegal drugs 'n' such. Note how the Bush White House redacted a proper noun here and there. Here're two versions of the document:



Now this document shows that the House of bin Laden selected James R Bath to be their official U.S. business agent.



Isn't it something? Why no one in the press corpse ask Bush about this is understandable considering the subject must be off-limits to those without the necessary Top Secret clearance.

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