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struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 05:16 PM Jul 2013

Germany defends "strictly legal" cooperation with NSA

Source: Reuters via First Post

BERLIN – Angela Merkel’s government said on Monday that its cooperation with American intelligence was fully regulated by strict legal guidelines after a magazine reported that the U.S. National Security Agency was in close cahoots with German spies.

Germany’s opposition, with an eye on September’s election, when the chancellor will seek a third term, demanded that her government explain how much it knew about U.S. surveillance tactics ahead of talks with Washington about the NSA.

“In the light of the latest media reports, it is even more urgent to ask what Germany’s secret services and above all what the Chancellery knew about eavesdropping activities,” said the Social Democrats’ (SPD) chancellor candidate, Peer Steinbrueck.

Der Spiegel’s report that the NSA works with Germany and other Western states on a ‘no questions asked’-basis undermines the chancellor’s indignant talk of “Cold War” tactics revealed by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden ...

Read more: http://www.firstpost.com/world/germany-defends-strictly-legal-cooperation-with-nsa-940079.html

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Germany defends "strictly legal" cooperation with NSA (Original Post) struggle4progress Jul 2013 OP
The KGB and the Gestapo were doing things that were "strictly legal" too. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #1
Those are not particularly apt analogies: for example, after 23 March 1933, struggle4progress Jul 2013 #2
What are we to the world? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #6
A corrupt plutocracy at the top. Amonester Jul 2013 #7
This country is actually VERY Liberal.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #8
Ok, surely more than half of the population is Liberal. Amonester Jul 2013 #9
Always remember, half the country doesn't vote. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #10
+1 christx30 Jul 2013 #3
And so was the Holocaust happyslug Jul 2013 #4
Indeed. The post-facto charging was a major sticking point.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #5
'Legal' don't make it right! marble falls Jul 2013 #11
 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
8. This country is actually VERY Liberal....
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:29 PM
Jul 2013

Want to see a media type freak out and act like you should be banned for ALL time from getting on the air?

Make the statement I just made.

Mind you that claiming this country is Conservative can be said all day every day despite all the actual issue polls showing it's not.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
9. Ok, surely more than half of the population is Liberal.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 08:47 PM
Jul 2013

And they live mostly in urban areas.

Most media types are in cahoots with the corrupt plutocrats at the top, otherwise they'd get fired (and they know it).

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
4. And so was the Holocaust
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 06:12 PM
Jul 2013

The Courts in Nuremberg had to work around the legal concept that a country can kill off its own citizens if it so decide. That was an iron clan International Rule. Thus the Courts preferred to punish the organizers of the Holocaust for killing people outside Germany (that was clearly illegal) and for violating the Treaty Germany had signed in the 1920s outlawing aggressive wars rather then the Holocaust itself. Subsequent cases generally involved the actual Nations where the Holocaust took Place (Poland mostly, for most European Jews lived in Poland before WWII) or by Israel to get around this concept that a nation can kill off its own citizens if it wanted to.

Now, that whole concept was outlawed under various post WWII, UN and Geneva Convention Treaties, but at the time the Holocaust occurred it was technically Legal for Germany to kill of its own citizens.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
5. Indeed. The post-facto charging was a major sticking point....
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 06:59 PM
Jul 2013

How can you charge someone with a crime that wasn't a crime at the time they were committed?

It's one thing to make something a crime after something happens to stop the NEXT GUY but to convict someone on a law you create on the spot is just not done. ESPECIALLY in the case of a capital offense.

Europe has a long history of tyrants killing off every single citizen of a conquered people on a whim.

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