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Galraedia

(5,027 posts)
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:35 PM Jul 2013

Radio host: Vanderbilt football player ‘allowed’ teammates to rape girlfriend

Source: Raw Story

Former Tennessee Volunteers quarterback Erik Ainge, who now hosts a show on Tennessee Sports Radio, revealed this morning that a Vanderbilt football player under investigation for sex crimes “allowed” three teammates to rape his girlfriend.

Earlier this month, The Tennessean reported that sex crimes detectives and the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation were investigating four Vanderbilt players, who had been kicked off the team for a violation of team rules.

This morning, Ainge provided what he said was “very reliable information” about the alleged crime.

“It is four football players, one of whom had a girlfriend — girlfriend victim,” he explained. “The four players, that girl were out, they were drinking.”

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/10/radio-host-vanderbilt-football-player-allowed-teammates-to-rape-girlfriend/

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Radio host: Vanderbilt football player ‘allowed’ teammates to rape girlfriend (Original Post) Galraedia Jul 2013 OP
PSA for all the young guys out there... Deep13 Jul 2013 #1
"all the young guys" aren't. these assholes did. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #3
and they are not the only ones, just the most recent we have heard about. niyad Jul 2013 #14
ah the ol' Schrodinger’s Rapist analogy again. Nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #17
as expected niyad Jul 2013 #18
back at ya ;) nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #20
He's far more concerned about all those BainsBane Jul 2013 #22
please see #23 :) nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #25
It's hardly a mischaracterizaton BainsBane Jul 2013 #27
maybe if you can't read well??!! you seem more tense than normal tonight. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #29
Really? BainsBane Jul 2013 #31
really. here is a calming picture of butterflys and flora. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #34
One has to wonder BainsBane Jul 2013 #35
one has to wonder galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #37
I clearly understand the law far better than you BainsBane Jul 2013 #38
the law. the law? errrrrr, ok. be well. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Jul 2013 #44
Isn't this one of those cases of "bait and switch" BainsBane Jul 2013 #21
please don't delete your mischaracterization of my statements galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #23
Why don't you explain what you meant then BainsBane Jul 2013 #24
i was quite clear. perhaps a class in reading comprehension? nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #26
What was clear to me BainsBane Jul 2013 #28
you need to go back and re-read what I said re: agency galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #30
Oh, I read it, and others can too BainsBane Jul 2013 #32
be well! nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #36
If they all hear it, it will include the assholes. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #52
PSA Lake Level Warnings aren't specific to, or placed only for irresponsible boaters... LanternWaste Jul 2013 #57
What is the percentage of "young guys" who are rapists? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #40
> 0% nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #53
all of them you Neanderthal! galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #59
this particular case is more indicative of jock culture and privilege yurbud Jul 2013 #51
true, but isn't that just masculine culture on (metaphorical) steroids? nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #54
If this is true, Jenoch Jul 2013 #2
I hope so, but will they??nt Stuart G Jul 2013 #4
more than likely not niyad Jul 2013 #16
The macho football culture treats women as property cosmicone Jul 2013 #5
I am SO sick of this crap 7962 Jul 2013 #6
Yes, anyone who receives a special status due to a position Half-Century Man Jul 2013 #33
If they've graduated sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #7
If charges are levied, the NCAA may force them off the team 7962 Jul 2013 #9
They play for Vanderbilt, not UT KamaAina Jul 2013 #11
I didn't become a cynic sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #41
The players haven't been identified yet... Johnyawl Jul 2013 #10
THIS is more the type of story we need: 7962 Jul 2013 #8
unfortunately, the story in the OP seems to be more common niyad Jul 2013 #42
WOW TWISTED .. Lenomsky Jul 2013 #12
MORE damned rapist football players???? what in the F*** is wrong with our society that these niyad Jul 2013 #13
Wrong generalization. Igel Jul 2013 #55
wow, a wonderful defense of rape culture and a barely concealed insult. nice work. niyad Jul 2013 #56
Testosterone overload, "manly-pack-bonding" more important than other relationships Myrina Jul 2013 #58
not only more important, but, apparently, to be defended at all costs. niyad Jul 2013 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #15
don't forget the teamwork bit. trouble is, they just never specified what KIND of character niyad Jul 2013 #19
amazing that the comments in the article were not taken over by the usual suspects niyad Jul 2013 #43
The more time I spend on this planet, southerncrone Jul 2013 #45
it's a good technique for keeping women under control and in fear, isn't it? niyad Jul 2013 #46
Worked for eons, I suspect...and still in play. southerncrone Jul 2013 #47
you have that absolutely correct. have you read riane eisler's "the chalice and the blade"? niyad Jul 2013 #48
I read it in high school--over 40 yrs ago! southerncrone Jul 2013 #49
think you will find it very interesting niyad Jul 2013 #50

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
22. He's far more concerned about all those
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:56 PM
Jul 2013

"false rape allegations" women make. That and the horror PSA's on rape prevention because they make men feel bad, especially when they suggest a man can't "have" any drunk woman he can get a hold of.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
31. Really?
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:02 PM
Jul 2013

So those posts aren't about the scourge of false rape allegations? You suggested they were so prevalent men should video tape all sexual encounters.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
38. I clearly understand the law far better than you
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:12 PM
Jul 2013

but why would you trouble yourself with anything as pedestrian as laws about consent and rape? I know exactly what I'm dealing with here.

Response to niyad (Reply #18)

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
21. Isn't this one of those cases of "bait and switch"
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:53 PM
Jul 2013

You complain about? A woman getting drunk and then having the nerve to not want to put out?

 

galileoreloaded

(2,571 posts)
23. please don't delete your mischaracterization of my statements
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:57 PM
Jul 2013

and I promise I wont alert.

i want people to see your bigotry.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
28. What was clear to me
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:00 PM
Jul 2013

is that you object to men being held responsible for rape. Sex with someone who cannot consent is rape. That basic fact eludes you. You promised to make your life's work combating the idea that such men were responsible for their actions.

 

galileoreloaded

(2,571 posts)
30. you need to go back and re-read what I said re: agency
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:02 PM
Jul 2013

....the point of the thread.

you are really spooling up the rhetoric here. whoa!

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
32. Oh, I read it, and others can too
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:06 PM
Jul 2013

"bait and switch" and "agency" of a drunk woman who cannot legally consent to rape. That while complaining that PSA's cautioning friends to look after each other and not leave their friend with a stranger who is hanging all over her is "sexist."

Since we're doing show and tell, people here can read it for themselves and decide what you meant. I myself figured you meant exactly what you wrote.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11149315

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
57. PSA Lake Level Warnings aren't specific to, or placed only for irresponsible boaters...
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:29 PM
Jul 2013

PSA Lake Level Warnings aren't specific to, or placed only for irresponsible boaters.

Seems to me that "Please Heed Lake Level Warnings" would be taken as an insult by only two groups-- idiots, and those looking for insults where they don't exist.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
2. If this is true,
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jul 2013

then all four of these guys need to do some serious prison time and when released, they need to register as sex offenders.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
5. The macho football culture treats women as property
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:16 PM
Jul 2013

The player "owned" his girlfriend so he could lend her to his buddies.

In a culture that treats athletes as heros, the price for deviant and criminal behavior shouldn't just be jail time but a lifetime ban on participating in any official sport. Unless that is done, these jocks would never learn.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
6. I am SO sick of this crap
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jul 2013

I want my teams to win just as much as anyone, but I dont want them staffed with criminals.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
33. Yes, anyone who receives a special status due to a position
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 09:07 PM
Jul 2013

should lose that position, if said status is abused or used to abuse others.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
7. If they've graduated
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:21 PM
Jul 2013

and not gone pro, there's a chance they'll go to jail. If they're still on the team but not starters, there's still a possibility. If they're starters, no way, especially with the season only weeks away.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
9. If charges are levied, the NCAA may force them off the team
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:27 PM
Jul 2013

but i dont know that for sure. If TN doesnt remove them, they'll look worse than the Cowboys. And thats bad.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
11. They play for Vanderbilt, not UT
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:48 PM
Jul 2013

the radio host is a Vols alum.

Vandy is not nearly the football factory that the other SEC schools are (the only player of note they've produced in many years is Bears QB Jay Cutler), so it's actually possible the rapists may have to face consequences.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
10. The players haven't been identified yet...
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 07:32 PM
Jul 2013

...so we don't know if they were starters, but they have been kicked off the team.

niyad

(113,552 posts)
13. MORE damned rapist football players???? what in the F*** is wrong with our society that these
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:07 PM
Jul 2013

males are allowed to think that this is acceptable behaviour? oh, never mind, I know the answers, and they are ugly beyond belief.

Igel

(35,356 posts)
55. Wrong generalization.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:23 AM
Jul 2013

What is wrong with groups of guys that form a peer group?

Nothing, if you like evolutionary biology. Lots, if you like modern standards.

Take a guy and give him a potentially high-risk, edgy task. Leave him alone or make it as routine a situation as possible. He'll evaluate the risks. He might come up with a bad answer and do something dangerous--there's a nice distribution for this behavior--but he'll evaluate the risks and that'll be the basis of his decision.

Now take a guy and give him the same potentially high-risk, edgy task. Put him in a group of buddies. He'll evaluate the risks--but one of the risks is now that if he doesn't do it he won't be seen as manly, studly; he'll lose status within the group and possibly group status entirely. Not engaging in the task will be seen as backing down. A large percentage of his calculation isn't risk/safety, but group dynamics.

Girls do the same kind of thing. But apparently (from what I've read) less of it. Part of it is because we're primates. Some may be cultural, but look at all sorts of initiation rituals cross-culturally and you see that young men are given societal brownie points, "get a good mate" points, and "get additional chances at reproductive success" points based on this kind of activity. Bad boys make bad mates, but they still tend to have a reasonable number of kids.

I don't care if you're a football player at a preppy school, a football player at a middling high school, or a poor teenager in a downtrodden area, young men form groups. Some we call "teams." Some we call "gangs." Usually we applaud risky behavior--as long as it's not *too* risky or daring in a way that we folk outside their group disapprove of.

There's also a tendency to encourage all-young-male peer groups. We send boys out to play with other boys; playing with girls is often discouraged, either by the girls' parents or the boys'. We assign boys to all-male groups. in some cases we delimit their behavior and do our best to provide chaperones and to model behavior. In some cases we don't. My Boy Scout troop was an example of that--there were approved behaviors and disapproved behaviors: intoxicants, sex, violence, three of the things involved here, were all discouraged pretty much at all times. But a lot of male groups are encouraged to meet independently, or they're encouraged to "bond"--meaning that they'll associate outside of circumstances with adult supervision. Or the supervision they get fosters a kind of risk-taking version of manhood. So the karate classes I took as a kid strongly punished any mention of using intoxicants or any hint of violence punished severely. When we mixed with kids from other karate teachers' groups, some were encouraged to be more aggressive because they were trying to get the kids to commit more strongly and in hopes of channeling that aggression towards school and work.

You even see this kind of "aggression" group dynamic at DU, where groups all but egg each other on in the boldness of their assertions and attempts to impose their authority on other groups, however risky the underlying argumentation may be. The most extreme members of each all-male group, all-female group, or even any on-line group tend to drive the debate and drive out more moderate members and above all more moderating behaviors.

Was that the "ugly beyond belief" answer you thought of, or was yours a bit more politically or (sub)culturally limited?

Response to Galraedia (Original post)

niyad

(113,552 posts)
19. don't forget the teamwork bit. trouble is, they just never specified what KIND of character
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 08:15 PM
Jul 2013

or teamwork

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
45. The more time I spend on this planet,
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 10:44 PM
Jul 2013

the more I wonder if women are safe to occupy it along w/men. Perhaps we should be more fearful than we already are. Is every day we escape rape just a lucky day?

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
47. Worked for eons, I suspect...and still in play.
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:04 PM
Jul 2013

And if the woman "dares" report it, she is vilified in court, as if she is the "guilty" party...virtually rape in the legal arena--another way of controlling her from even reporting the violent & despicable act of uninvited aggression.
Seems a patriarchal society is a bully society. Controllers/bullies = cowards.

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
49. I read it in high school--over 40 yrs ago!
Wed Jul 10, 2013, 11:37 PM
Jul 2013

Admittedly, I don't remember much of it now...too much data over the circuits since then! I think I will reread it now that you mention it.

Correction....I'm confusing it w/another book. I will find a copy & read it, tho!

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