Radio host: Vanderbilt football player ‘allowed’ teammates to rape girlfriend
Source: Raw Story
Former Tennessee Volunteers quarterback Erik Ainge, who now hosts a show on Tennessee Sports Radio, revealed this morning that a Vanderbilt football player under investigation for sex crimes allowed three teammates to rape his girlfriend.
Earlier this month, The Tennessean reported that sex crimes detectives and the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation were investigating four Vanderbilt players, who had been kicked off the team for a violation of team rules.
This morning, Ainge provided what he said was very reliable information about the alleged crime.
It is four football players, one of whom had a girlfriend girlfriend victim, he explained. The four players, that girl were out, they were drinking.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/10/radio-host-vanderbilt-football-player-allowed-teammates-to-rape-girlfriend/
Deep13
(39,154 posts)STOP DOING THIS THIS SHIT!!!!
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)niyad
(113,552 posts)galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)niyad
(113,552 posts)Sister Militant
AC, PHD remdi95
Blessed Order of the Sisters of Perpetual Outrage
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)"false rape allegations" women make. That and the horror PSA's on rape prevention because they make men feel bad, especially when they suggest a man can't "have" any drunk woman he can get a hold of.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)So those posts aren't about the scourge of false rape allegations? You suggested they were so prevalent men should video tape all sexual encounters.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)why you advance positions you refuse to defend.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)if you even understand the issues at hand in their full complexity.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)but why would you trouble yourself with anything as pedestrian as laws about consent and rape? I know exactly what I'm dealing with here.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)Response to niyad (Reply #18)
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BainsBane
(53,066 posts)You complain about? A woman getting drunk and then having the nerve to not want to put out?
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)and I promise I wont alert.
i want people to see your bigotry.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)and why you find anti-rape PSAs so offensive.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)is that you object to men being held responsible for rape. Sex with someone who cannot consent is rape. That basic fact eludes you. You promised to make your life's work combating the idea that such men were responsible for their actions.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)....the point of the thread.
you are really spooling up the rhetoric here. whoa!
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)"bait and switch" and "agency" of a drunk woman who cannot legally consent to rape. That while complaining that PSA's cautioning friends to look after each other and not leave their friend with a stranger who is hanging all over her is "sexist."
Since we're doing show and tell, people here can read it for themselves and decide what you meant. I myself figured you meant exactly what you wrote.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11149315
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)PSA Lake Level Warnings aren't specific to, or placed only for irresponsible boaters.
Seems to me that "Please Heed Lake Level Warnings" would be taken as an insult by only two groups-- idiots, and those looking for insults where they don't exist.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)do i need a sarcasm tag?
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)then all four of these guys need to do some serious prison time and when released, they need to register as sex offenders.
Stuart G
(38,445 posts)niyad
(113,552 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)The player "owned" his girlfriend so he could lend her to his buddies.
In a culture that treats athletes as heros, the price for deviant and criminal behavior shouldn't just be jail time but a lifetime ban on participating in any official sport. Unless that is done, these jocks would never learn.
7962
(11,841 posts)I want my teams to win just as much as anyone, but I dont want them staffed with criminals.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)should lose that position, if said status is abused or used to abuse others.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)and not gone pro, there's a chance they'll go to jail. If they're still on the team but not starters, there's still a possibility. If they're starters, no way, especially with the season only weeks away.
7962
(11,841 posts)but i dont know that for sure. If TN doesnt remove them, they'll look worse than the Cowboys. And thats bad.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)the radio host is a Vols alum.
Vandy is not nearly the football factory that the other SEC schools are (the only player of note they've produced in many years is Bears QB Jay Cutler), so it's actually possible the rapists may have to face consequences.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)until Marcus Vick played at Virginia Tech.
Johnyawl
(3,205 posts)...so we don't know if they were starters, but they have been kicked off the team.
7962
(11,841 posts)My Atlanta Falcons make a good decision.....
niyad
(113,552 posts)Lenomsky
(340 posts)niyad
(113,552 posts)males are allowed to think that this is acceptable behaviour? oh, never mind, I know the answers, and they are ugly beyond belief.
Igel
(35,356 posts)What is wrong with groups of guys that form a peer group?
Nothing, if you like evolutionary biology. Lots, if you like modern standards.
Take a guy and give him a potentially high-risk, edgy task. Leave him alone or make it as routine a situation as possible. He'll evaluate the risks. He might come up with a bad answer and do something dangerous--there's a nice distribution for this behavior--but he'll evaluate the risks and that'll be the basis of his decision.
Now take a guy and give him the same potentially high-risk, edgy task. Put him in a group of buddies. He'll evaluate the risks--but one of the risks is now that if he doesn't do it he won't be seen as manly, studly; he'll lose status within the group and possibly group status entirely. Not engaging in the task will be seen as backing down. A large percentage of his calculation isn't risk/safety, but group dynamics.
Girls do the same kind of thing. But apparently (from what I've read) less of it. Part of it is because we're primates. Some may be cultural, but look at all sorts of initiation rituals cross-culturally and you see that young men are given societal brownie points, "get a good mate" points, and "get additional chances at reproductive success" points based on this kind of activity. Bad boys make bad mates, but they still tend to have a reasonable number of kids.
I don't care if you're a football player at a preppy school, a football player at a middling high school, or a poor teenager in a downtrodden area, young men form groups. Some we call "teams." Some we call "gangs." Usually we applaud risky behavior--as long as it's not *too* risky or daring in a way that we folk outside their group disapprove of.
There's also a tendency to encourage all-young-male peer groups. We send boys out to play with other boys; playing with girls is often discouraged, either by the girls' parents or the boys'. We assign boys to all-male groups. in some cases we delimit their behavior and do our best to provide chaperones and to model behavior. In some cases we don't. My Boy Scout troop was an example of that--there were approved behaviors and disapproved behaviors: intoxicants, sex, violence, three of the things involved here, were all discouraged pretty much at all times. But a lot of male groups are encouraged to meet independently, or they're encouraged to "bond"--meaning that they'll associate outside of circumstances with adult supervision. Or the supervision they get fosters a kind of risk-taking version of manhood. So the karate classes I took as a kid strongly punished any mention of using intoxicants or any hint of violence punished severely. When we mixed with kids from other karate teachers' groups, some were encouraged to be more aggressive because they were trying to get the kids to commit more strongly and in hopes of channeling that aggression towards school and work.
You even see this kind of "aggression" group dynamic at DU, where groups all but egg each other on in the boldness of their assertions and attempts to impose their authority on other groups, however risky the underlying argumentation may be. The most extreme members of each all-male group, all-female group, or even any on-line group tend to drive the debate and drive out more moderate members and above all more moderating behaviors.
Was that the "ugly beyond belief" answer you thought of, or was yours a bit more politically or (sub)culturally limited?
niyad
(113,552 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t
niyad
(113,552 posts)Response to Galraedia (Original post)
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niyad
(113,552 posts)or teamwork
niyad
(113,552 posts)southerncrone
(5,506 posts)the more I wonder if women are safe to occupy it along w/men. Perhaps we should be more fearful than we already are. Is every day we escape rape just a lucky day?
niyad
(113,552 posts)southerncrone
(5,506 posts)And if the woman "dares" report it, she is vilified in court, as if she is the "guilty" party...virtually rape in the legal arena--another way of controlling her from even reporting the violent & despicable act of uninvited aggression.
Seems a patriarchal society is a bully society. Controllers/bullies = cowards.
niyad
(113,552 posts)southerncrone
(5,506 posts)Admittedly, I don't remember much of it now...too much data over the circuits since then! I think I will reread it now that you mention it.
Correction....I'm confusing it w/another book. I will find a copy & read it, tho!