The U.S. position (or should I say dictate) is absurd--that nobody is permitted to fly this man to offered asylum. He is being hunted by the U.S. strictly for political purposes, to maintain an illegal and unethical and unconstitutional program of massive surveillance at home and abroad.

Obama should be the one granting him asylum--should give him immunity and invite him home to tell all. Instead, Obama is defending this Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld era abomination.

Will the U.S. offend and detain and insult the Red Cross, or Amnesty International, or whatever human rights group is in contact with Snowden, like it did President Evo Morales, igniting a firestorm of criticism in Latin America and multiple offers of asylum to Snowden from that region? The firestorm will only spread if the U.S. does this.

I hope the U.S. doesn't. I hope there has been an agreement to turn the matter over to a human rights group. It is a "no win" for Obama if he keeps this up. And why has he not condemned this invasive and massive spying program? He could change the course of history--our plummet into a corpo-fascist state. It doesn't seem at all likely that he will, but he should.

... but they can make their presence felt ... by sending a message with one of those supposedly helpful teams ... something to the effect of ...

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So we can stop hearing all the CT about how he's going to be killed.

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unless it's like a "wide stance" or "weiner" fiasco.

It isn't reasonable to put a figurative tinfoil cap on everyone who suggests that politicians have conspired to commit transgressions, whatever kind.

Corporate crimes are 99.999% conspiracies.

Corporate and political crimes can merge, esp. in these most opportunistic times, creating an even more entwined conspiracy of interests.

This guy STOLE computers with Top Secret information and fled to a Communist country. He is the one making conspiracies with his false allegations of law breaking. No wonder Wikileaks's lawyers don't want anything to do with him. I'm sure the H.R.Gs will feel the same way when they look at what he has. I'm glad he is in his Russian prison and I hope he rots there too.

The Apologist's Hit Parade:

1. This is nothing new
2. I have nothing to hide
3. What are you, a freeper?
4. But Obama is better than Christie/Romney/Bush/Hitler
5. Greenwald/Flaherty/Gillum/Apuzzo/Braun is a hack
6. We have red light cameras, so this is no big deal
7. Corporations have my data anyway
8. At least Obama is trying
9. This is just the media trying to take Obama down
10. It's a misunderstanding/you are confused
11. You're a racist
12. Nobody cares about this anyway / "unfounded fears"
13. I don't like Snowden, therefore we must disregard all of this
14. Other countries do it

Please? I don't like being 13.

Accept the "official story" - no matter how ridiculous, or be labeled a "crazy."
Dare to raise a doubt - you're labeled a crazy.
Don't believe your lying eyes...

The powers that be refuse to be challenged or questioned, and their minions are vicious enforcers.

Their story, of course, is "true". Others are "conspiracy theories".
Ranked somewhat below the more interesting theories of Archimedes Plutonium.

But if ends the conspiracy theory talk then so be it. There is little I can do either way.

eom

July 12, 2013, 4:38 AM
Amnesty International rep says he'll meet Edward Snowden in Moscow

A Russian official of Amnesty International confirmed that he planned to meet Friday with Edward Snowden, the leaker of U.S. National Security Agency secrets.

Sergei Nikitin, head of the rights organization's Russia office, told CBS News' Svetlana Berdnikova he would attend the meeting Friday, but he declined to say where it would take place.

Snowden is believed to have been stuck in the transit zone of Moscow's Sheremetyevo international airport since June 23 as he negotiates for asylum in another country.

Russian news agencies reported that Snowden had called on several human rights organizations, lawyers and Russian officials to meet with him Friday at the airport.

More:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57593434/amnesty-international-rep-says-hell-meet-edward-snowden-in-moscow/

I don't know if those groups can do much against the almighty USA.

He's not getting out of that airport holding area any time soon.

-Laelth

Her twitter page says she's going now





Edit: Explanation:


This is just bizarre:

talking about our OWN rights being violated.

Just being on an Aeroflot jet or at Sheremet'yevo counts as a human rights violation.

The transit zone?

Upthread they were saying Snowden might be imprisoned if he left. That's rather like being transferred between prisons, if you ask me.

Probably not. There are many.

They get to pick and choose which ones will get their heads bashed in, their offices closed, their families persecutied, and get them sentenced to prison.

If it's a line, first-come/first-served, then gay rights won't be on the list for many a decade. Somewhere after free expression, minority rights, political rights, freedom of religion, freedom of movement, and some other pesky "freedoms".

... than us? Or,u know,what was the pt?
--Bill Maher

Ask Bradley Manning. Plus we have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world and we disproportionately imprison people of color.

Ask any old timer like myself, who lived through the cold war, and who vilified the Soviet Union for human rights violations. What is being done here after the Bush era is no different.

I thought we were Nazi Germany.

the scales fall from your eyes and look at what's really going on.

tells me the same thing.

Apparently, we are now the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and Mao's China ... all rolled into one.

Next up ... death panels and FEMA work camps.

It's the approach to solutions that's different.

"truly" follow the Constitution.

What differs, from what I can tell, is their version of the "Utopia" that follows.

There is no sin in speculating about possible future outcomes in times of turmoil. It's only human and think what you want about Tea Party members, at the end of the day they are human.

And they are not "speculating about possible future outcomes", they are actively working to bring them about.

political spectrum. Yes it seems to be a bit odd to have Glenn Beck and Bernie Sanders agreeing about something, but there you have it. Then you have the establishments of both major political parties defending the same programs. Polls also show divided opinions among rank and file members of both parties over the same topic.

Or Nazi Germany?

opposes the surveillance state. He has called for the repeal of the Patriot Act and voted against it.

Bernie Sanders On NSA Leak Revelations: We're Heading For An 'Orwellian Future'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/bernie-sanders-orwellian-future_n_3419173.html

I'm with Bernie on this.

You will see that I was responding to one who, like the Tea Party nut jobs, is claiming that we are now the Soviet Union.

I was correct to remind you that I did not say that we are the Soviet Union. Another poster said that, not me. Surely you can't hold me responsible for what someone else said in a reply to me.

in the thread above.

I did not say that there were not other, less insane, points of agreement that could be found.

what someone else said without even knowing if I agree with it or not.

or maybe he just wants to cry on their shoulders. Poor picked on and abused Eddie.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1155606982001/



The same goes for Transparency International

Most of them don't organize press conferences when they travel

http://russian.rt.com/article/12277