given corporate america sells the info to make money.

being the rubber stamp they have been these past few years with this ruling by showing the public or atleast trying to show the public why it makes some of the rulings it does rather than trying to keep it all hidden which is in general a bad idea.

-Laelth

And its been approving the majority of all requests going all the way back to 1978.

the internet didnt exist thus no email and or skype type communications, cellphones were rare and expensive and the average computer was dumber than todays average cellphone.

of FISA warrants has gone from about 700 a year to about 1900 a year.

How will this ruling be enforced I wonder

This IS getting really interesting.

Good for Yahoo!!!! .. for standing up for the constitution and their customers.

huh.

k&r

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If the voters are intimidated, uninformed, or just plain stupid,

what can we expect from our governments?

Case in point - Canada

HarperDude is a sociopath

and got elected TWICE!

CC

He signed the FISA court into law in a bill proposed by Ted Kennedy, and passed by Congress, in 1978.

...I never expected to live long enough to see a news article begin with:

from a 1970s dystopian science fiction movie.

from our country's inception in 1788 until the passage of the 13th Amendment in 1864.

Just because an institution has been in place for decades doesn't mean we shouldn't question it's propriety.

institution in question exists, when it has in fact been in existence for 30+ years.

Read the post I responded to for context.

Yes, the FISC has been with us for far too long. If people are waking up to it's potential for abuse, that's a good thing. Not something we should cluck our tongues over.

"potential for abuse."

Many of those reacting to this thread are down right positive that there has been nothing but abuse and we now live in a police state.

They did not know that this court existed and was signed into law by Jimmy Carter in a law proposed by Ted Kennedy. They do not know that it was created because prior to its existence, law enforcement would bypass the courts completely if they thought there were "secrets" that needed greater protection than exists in the normal courts.

They complain that its a rubber stamp court, not knowing how many warrants are issues each year. They don't even notice that this "rubber stamp court" just found for Yahoo, which runs counter to the "rubber stamp" meme.

They thought meta data was wiretapping. And when it became clear those are not the same thing ... they just changed terms, moving to the more ambiguous "spying" or "massive surveillance" or make claims that "the 4th amendment no longer exists", or we "live in a police state" under a (gasp) "totalitarian government".

The use of all this hyperbole is intended to allow the imagination of the reader to fill in the gaps ... its no wonder many of those posting on this topic seem to think that they are Will Smith in Enemy of the State.

We've needed a discussion on the vast over reach in the Patriot Act for a long time. But that's not going to happen if people are running around making these kinds of wild claims.

In my opinion, the existence of the FISC is abuse.

PB

shit is indeed fucked up.

What the hell?