Someone's trying to prop him up.

n/t

explain your theory that something not filmed did not occur.

he said he did it. sheesh. think before you post!

You have a right to your opinion and many call opinions prejudices when they are not supported by facts. Do you have any facts to support your belief in this matter or is this just prejudice?

What did occur was that an accident occurred where a car slid on it’s side into a median. People at the scene called 911, which went to the Sanford office of the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office. BEFORE responding to the 911 call, News Ball.com reports that Seminole Sheriff’s Dept. Officer Patrick Rehder, a self-styled friend and supporter of Zimmerman, contacted Zimmerman by cell phone directing him to go to the accident so as to appear to be a hero. News Ball.com also provides a social media screen capture of a curious statement about Rehder taking pleasure when someone gets credit for something they did not do.

Rehder’s name appears on the accident report as the responding officer; social media shows his connection to Zimmerman.

There were plenty of people driving by who witnessed the accident, and stopped to help the family out of the vehicle, BEFORE Zimmerman showed up, according to the 911 calls, but no ‘thank you’ press conference mentioning anyone else by name specifically was scheduled by the family, and no mention of anyone other than Zimmerman was made by the sheriff.

Zimmerman showed up AFTER he was called by a SCSO member according to a report at News Ball.com, Zimmerman then got out of his car with a fire extinguisher, and apparently left without doing anything especially heroic. You can hear the course of events here in the 911 calls; many people who were there as the accident happened stopped to get people out, and the fire and smoke problem from the calls, appeared some time after they were out of the car. As you can hear from the calls, people were out before there was a smoke or fire problem; Zimmerman did not appear to risk his life to pull anyone out of a burning car, as was claimed. :

when she performed CPR on an elderly woman. Or maybe it was the Heinlich maneuver?

and sentenced, though.

The timing of this 'rescue' by George Zimmerman is just too coincidental: right when additional criminal charges against him are being looked at.

George Zimmerman has already proven that he is willing to manipulate situations and people to his advantage (stuffing movie lines in Trayvon's mouth as the kid is dying, deliberately putting on over 100 lbs of weight to create a non-menacing, tub-o-lard look for the female jurors and getting his wife to lie in court about their finances and hide his second passport), so I have every reason to doubt that this whole 'hero' incident is not as it appears and was in someway engineered by George Zimmerman (perhaps he was listening to a police scanner, for instance, waiting for a car accident, house fire...anything....to happen close enough that he could get to it quickly and perform what appears to be a fortuitous 'rescue'.

Call me cynical, but this is just too unbelievable to not be a PR performance.

ETA: George Zimmerman is someone who called 911 frequently in the past, so one would expect there to be a call from him to 911, to report the accident. Has anyone checked the 911 logs for such a call?

Is it really so hard to believe that someone who is so willing to act that they end up in the TM situation that should have been easily avoided will also be EXACTLY the kind of guy who jumps into action when he sees a car crash? It is certainly unlikely that an accident should happen right in that area, but given that it did...

Further, to those who find it unreasonable that he could pull someone out of a car when he couldn't defend himself against a 6' 160 pound guy. Are you for real? That description would closely match Sugar Ray Robinson. I'm not saying that TM was that fit or good a fighter, I'm simply saying that those measurements are hardly indicating that GZ should have been able to handle him just because he is able to pull someone out of a car. That particular part is perfectly consistent.

In any event...So he did a minor good deed. Big whoop. It isn't like it really changes anything. But the jumping to conspiracy theory is just....sad.

And that people would believe this PR stunt.

He's still a murderer.

Imagine that. He lied.
Beware people this man is not a cop. He's armed and dangerous at all times. Never forget that.

196 pounds and training at a gym in MMA.

But now... at about 320 pounds and no gym training at all since he murdered Trayvon, well, George Zimmerman has miraculously become physically fit. Adam Pollack, the owner of Kokopelli's Gym will swear to it!

Too bad he didn't use that super human power to escape the clutches of 160lb child

rescue puppies from?

Asshole. Man should be sitting in a cell, rotting.

That Zimmerman is in Sanford, Florida.

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killed Trayvon Martin! Georgie was just on a 7-11 run, don't cha know.

George Zimmerman is a fraud and BSer all the way. He was probably advised by his attorneys, or his brother, Robert Zimmerman, to sit by his police scanner and get over to the scene of an accident at the first chance he could and play a wannabe rescuer. They are desperately trying to rehab his image, while more criminal charges against him are pending.

I don't believe there is anything George Zimmerman wouldn't lower himself to do, after getting away with murder.

It's what he was doing when he killed Travyon Martin. No reason to think that he would change. Now more than ever Georgie has to prove his worth to the world. I expect that he sits by his scanner all day long listening for opportunities to "help." He probably is still calling 911 all the time, too.

but I can't see him still calling 911 anymore, (at least not in Sanford) unless he's calling for personal reasons.

Wait, now that you say that, someone should check the 911 logs to see whether ole Georgie, being the 911 caller that he was, called in the accident he supposedly was at. And if not, that would be more reason to doubt this whole report of 'coming across an accident unexpectedly'.

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The article says that Zimmerman spoke with deputies after helping the family get out of the car. The police reported that there were no injuries, so I don't know what kind of "help" was required.

Why the police felt obligated to announce this, four days after it happened, might bear some looking into.

Edit

I've read the reports from USA Today, ABC news and Fox news, but didn't see that info in any of them.

I might have misread. I thought I'd seen that he called it in, but now I'm reading that he simply spoke with the deputies on the scene and didn't witness the accident.

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in regards to this accident, but there WERE several 911 calls made by others...that's probably what you remember seeing. Here's some info excerpted from the Orlando Sentinel:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-truck-rescue-20130722,0,6349930.story

"Authorities also released several 911 calls reporting the crash. Callers described the vehicle on its side and bystanders helping. None mentioned Zimmerman specifically in the audio, though parts of the calls were apparently redacted."

and some more interesting info:

"The Sheriff's Office later released a traffic accident report. Zimmerman and the other man are not mentioned in the report."

“Zimmerman remains in hiding, as he had been while awaiting trial.”

He's got a whole lotta karma to repair.

Glad you're here! My first thought was - AHA! Now we know where he is. But he's undoubtedly moving around, somewhere in hiding. In the outer darkness. Where he belongs.

And yeah. Doesn't change anything or soften this heart of mine toward him. He's still a MURDERER. An unrepentent MURDERER. Who got away with it. And that will follow him to the end of his days.

'Now, George. Go to this intersection and wait. And be ready to pull some schmuck from an overturned car or truck! Got it?"

Did this "rescue" cause further injury?

Pretty crappy reporting, ABC "News". This looks like a PR stunt, and you fools are falling for it - hook, line and sinker.

he might have shot the person like they do injured horses!

I swear sometimes we're no better than infowars on this kind of stuff.

If he is in hiding, how come he just happened to be at the crash site?

I think the Sanford police department is complicit in this as well because they did everything possible to get him acquitted after even refusing to charge him.

Do you have a single iota of evidence for your conspiracy theory, one single solitary piece of evidence for it or do you just "know" it has to be that way?

Bad people do good things, to think that any good thing a bad person does has to be an elaborate conspriacy is the childish worldview, not accepting the strange nuisances of our existence.

Some things are prima facie untrue and don't need proof. If you read that Zimmy flew across the Atlantic simply by flapping his arms in the air, it has to be untrue with no evidence required.

This is based upon probabilistic constructs and use of "statistical power" -- which is technically 1-?

When you consider the odds of a) an injury accident occurring at a given intersection, compounding those with b) the odds of having a live victim needing a rescue and further compounding those with c) the odds of a person who is hiding just happening to be there and rescuing this victim before police arrived you have an extremely unlikely event to have occurred by chance alone.

Let's say there is one accident at that intersection every month and 1% of those accidents have someone injured needing a rescue. Further consider that there are some 5,000 people who live in the surrounding area. The odds of one of those people being at the scene are 1/5000*1/12*1/100 = 1.66E-7 (or 0.0000000166.) The odds of being struck by a meteor are actually higher!

You can cite statistics all you want, but accidents do happen, and rescues do occur.

We live in an era of "Captain Sum Ting Wong, Wi Tu Lo, Ho Lee Fuk, Bang Ding Ow" reporting without thinking.

Gone are the days of Dan Rather and Mike Wallace who would have asked the hard questions before rushing to get the story out.

I'm sure details will emerge or information will come out that this is a hoax.

he pulled from an accident- if it is even true.

Statically unprobable doesn't mean it didn't happen, in fact given the sheer number of human beings to pick from, places it could happen and events that could happen the vast majority of all human interactions are statically unprobable.

Did I ever tell you about the time this specific person, at this specific intersection happened to help at this specific time. Whoa how crazy is that! Actually not crazy at all.

The key problem is you're treating all those events as mutually exclusive. In fact the probability that Zimmerman would be the one to respond to an accident is the exact same as pretty much any other person in central Florida (obviously variable based on how often one spends driving), the difference being that Zimmerman was the one who did so it made the news. When you factor in this accident was in his local community, so maybe there were about a couple thousand other people who could have responded, you realize this event wasn't actually that unlikely at all. There was an accident (happens all the time), someone responded (happens all the time), of a community of thousands it happened to be Zimmerman (the fact that our planet is inhabitable zone of orbit is lower than this one).

Just because you throw out a scientific sounding term like prima facie, doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.

I also know that the antonym of probable is not unprobable but improbable.

I never stated that the probability is ZERO ... implicit in that is that "it could have really happened" but the odds of it being a PR stunt versus "it could have really happened" are 16,6700,000 to 1. If you are in Vegas and betting your paycheck, where would you place the bet?

You're committing a basic error by treating those events as mutually exclusive.

There are only 50,000 people in Sanford, one of them is going to stop to help a rollovered truck, one of them is Zimmerman. The probability that Zimmerman stops to help a car that rolled over in Sanford is greater than 1 in 50,000 (not everyone in Sanford drives, not everyone would stop to help someone in a rolled over car etc....).

I don't know how many roll overs there are in Sanford a day/week or how many times a civilian generally helps before the police get there, but every single one is a chance that Zimmerman would be the one to help (And you only need one successful trial, you can have as many not Zimmermans as you want). If you look at it in totality, is it unlikely? Yes, but not so unlikely that it should cause you question the existence of it without any other evidence for it not happening.


The very fact that you as you are now, exist in this place at this time is a supremely less likely event than Zimmerman stopping to help a person whose car rolled over. That is why we don't disregard improbable trials just because they are improbable. Clearly improbable things happen, if you factor in every variable nearly every human action is improbable.

If you want to be woefully ignorant of basic statistical concepts, go right on, but please don't butch a field I use everyday in my work to prove some kind of "point".

Seeing a limping man with three dogs wearing a red shirt carrying a green grocery bag has a probability of

0.5 (a man and not a woman)* 0.001 (limping)* 0.0001 (with three dogs)*0.7 (red shirt)* 0.33 (Carrying a grocery bag)*0.7(green grocery bag) = 0.000000008085

There is no other way to calculate multiple attributes probabilistically occurring together!

If you are really into statistics for a living, I am speechless.

May innocent little Zimmerman save the world !

Oh wait was Zimmerman wearing a green shirt? What is the probability of him wearing a green shirt that has to make it less likely right? Was he wearing shoes? What about the probability he could have done it without shoes.

Clearly this makes the event impossible!

The only probability that actually matters is the 1 in 50,000 (which is for as I said individual trials, there have probably been tons), because all the events you are talking about aren't dependent. The probability of Zimmerman helping someone in a car accident one day is completely independent of him being at the center of a national sensation of a murder trial.

I'm speechless that you don't understand this basic concept after having it communicated to you multiple times. I'm done trying to communicate this, you clearly just don't want to be wrong even if this is something you could learn in the most basic statistics course

YOU are the one who needs a basic statistics course if you believe that 1 in 50,000 is the only relevant statistic in the probability of this incident.

I wonder what your position was before/during the trial? Hmmmm

&quot not everyone in Sanford drives, not everyone would stop to help someone in a rolled over car etc....)", clearly that is not the only variable, but it is a decent rough estimate. If you knew how to perfectly calculate the probability of an event like that by taking into account all RELEVANT variables you'd be a very rich person.

The point I've repeatedly been trying to stress is that Zimmerman being involved in a murder trial very evidently does not greatly effect his probability of passing by an accident on his way to wherever he was going. Independent vs. dependent events are not an incredibly complex concept, but it is amazing what people will willfully misunderstand. Lets say I stop to help someone on the side of the road. You can calculate the probability of me wearing green socks and stopping to help a person on the side of the road, but you can't combine the probability of the two and make it seem less likely I will because I WOULD HAVE STOPPED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER I WAS WEARING GREEN SOCKS OR RED.

There are only 50,000 people in Sanford and Zimmerman is in Sanford. You can make a very rough estimate (not accounting for car ownership/age etc...) that there is about an equal probability that any of those 50,000 people could of passed by that accident and decided to help, it just happened to be Zimmerman.

The person I was replying to implied that because it just so happened to be Zimmerman that is proof of a conspiracy. They also came up with some amazingly fanciful many digit number of a probability out of thin air, which is just odd.

My position on the trial was that it was a great tragedy and that of the only two people who actually know what exactly happened that night one is dead and the other has no reason to tell the truth if he is lying. I hope I meet your purity standard.

I would play Lotto ASAP..........

we'd know it is rigged hahahahaha.

since the money goes to education and our schools are number one in the world

Conflating a conspiracy theory and a PR stunt (two wholly separate concepts, see dictionary if necc. ) seems to be where you are misinterpreting the premise of others.

Sounds like conspiracy theory to me.

It appears that George Zimmerman was listening to the police scanner and heard that there was a traffic accident near him. He leaped into action (new gun in holster, I imagine) and seized this opportunity to prove that he is a really good guy and a hero. None of that involves conspiracy - it's just George Zimmerman being George Zimmerman, wannabe cop and hero, which is what he was doing the night he shot a kid.

The part that starts to look a little fishy is that the Sanford police department made an official announcement that George Zimmerman helped somebody after a traffic accident. How often does that happen? I mean, people help out with non-fatal, non-injurious traffic accidents all the time but the police rarely release the names of the good Samaritans. What prompted the Sanford police to report this a week after it happened? That's the part that is a public relations ploy. Obvious one.

Do you really think that George Zimmerman just happened to be passing by an accident a few days after he was acquitted, when his family and attorneys claim that he has been unable to leave his home due to threats on his life?

I'm giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt by assuming that (a) this was a legitimate accident that he (b) legitimately heard about in a random fashion because he was listening to scanner.

Another interpretation is that the entire thing was staged. I doubt that.

Um, yes actually Sanford is a small town and it was barely a mile away from where he lives. Why is it unbelievable that he happened to be passing by an accident?

They formulated an elaborate self-defense story that was nothing but one big lie, so they are fully capable of staging the entire "accident."

We might learn more. I will be curious if this family that George supposedly helped identifies themselves.

to pull off such a PR stunt requires a conspiracy.

What a crock of shit...

and add to all the conflicting reports about whether it was on fire ...

and just how he just happened to come out of hiding and everything else.

i would need some proof because i don't believe what they say.

Sound almost as make-believe and imaginary as attempting to illegally transfer money over the phone from a jail cell.

and convincing most people that there was an innocent explanation for the crash, this is a piece of cake.

We're better than this, DU.

He felt endangered because he's gotten death threats and feared someone recognized him and might harm him.

Zimmerman is a physical weakling, so was stated at the trial.

What a guy!

By an army of hoodies.

Nevermind the fact that he shot a black kid for a second, the reason he got into the situation in the first place was he is a dangerous wannabe cop who washed out of being a real cop. How does rescuing somebody out of a burning car make him less of a wannabe cop?

Creepy ass cracker nominated for Citizen of the Year Award by Sanford, FL.
Parade with marching band planned for this weekend. Please ~ No hoodies

It's all a PR stunt to me. Either way he's still a killer.

...if you are not trained to do so. He could have caused further injury to them.

If the person had a cervical spine fracture or dislocation, removing him without a stryker frame could have caused quadriplegia.

I'd be willing to bet that there are crash victims who think cries of PR setup are mighty silly. I think Z murdered Trayvon & I think he's a shitty guy. But I harbor no ill will to crash victims. I'm glad they're ok. I think someone nailed it upthread. He mighta been listening on a scanner.


That being said, how weird of a story is this?

The defense lawyers use the "superwimp" argument to win the case. So, now he acts like a superhero out of the blue?

And who was the other, unnamed, man who helped get the family out of their car?

Why would the Sanford police, via the Seminole County Sheriff's Office, release a statement on this, naming only Zimmerman and making the statement immediately after the rallies in support of Trayvon Martin and his family?


No agenda on their part I'm sure!

The government wants to leave no stone unturned.

My point is, it is not surprising that he is news. When somebody has a special hotline established by the govt to get tips about him, the media and the public at large are also going to be curious. Asking why the media covers it or why the story is reported to them in the first place is like asking why the media is reporting about the royal baby, or why the hospital set up a special service to disseminate the information about this one baby.

Are you suggesting that the police should have reported a non-injury accident to the media just because George Zimmerman (or any public figure) showed up at the scene?

But the media rarely picks up on it. All of those type of records are open to the public. Check out Perez Hilton's list of 15 celebrity "heroes" here http://perezhilton.com/galleries/15-celebrity-heroes/?id=380412. Those folks made the news because reporters saw their names on routine police reports. If you or I had saved somebody, unless it was an extraordinarily newsworthy event, we would not have gotten noticed. But the report would have been public if anyone had cared to look at it and publish it b

Media does not waste its time digging through non-injury accident records. Plus, why would the police name Zimmerman, but not the other guy who they say was also helping the family get out of their van?

How do we get a release on the 911 call?
The sheriffs dept is handling this incident as it is in their jurisdiction. Not sure why Sanford police gave any info. I asked Sanford police how it was that they were referenced in the press release but did not get a good answer. Had to leave a message with the public relations officer in Seminole County asking for the 911 call release.

The headline only got knocked off by the royal birth (the third coming?)

By the homemade blowgun lobby to knock off the "don't inhale your homemade blowgun ammo" reports that just came out.

This is a real thing btw.

But, what did he do instead? He stalked him and then shot and killed him.

I don't give a fuck what he does from here on out.. he escaped Justice. And, karma can be a bitch for those who think they sneak by.

He is not. He is a coward plane and simple that hides behind a gun. So what he rescues a car that flipped over it happens all the time it never makes national headlines. Just because he gets away with murder now we are supposed to believe he is a good person.

Those who convicted Zimmerman of murder before he even went to trial , and then convicted the judge then the jury and then finally the stand your ground law rather than admitting self defense resulted in the shooting, will continue the spouting off about Zimmerman etc. Trayvon Martin appears to have been killed because he attacked another person who then shot him. If Zimmerman had shot a white boy or man , it would still be self defense.
I have resisted saying this because it will hurt one who is already I am sure questioning what they could have done to prevent the tragedy. Trayvon Martin's parents if they were aware of the racist nature of our society shoulld have taught him to avoid the cruelest consequence of that racism. They should have taught him when it is appropriate to back down and to pick your battles. I feel sorry for parents of both Martin and Zimmerman and I feel sorry for Zimmerman. I have heard much much too little to convince me that he wanted to harm Martin when he followed him. Whether one is racist or not,self defense is a valid defense to murder charges. Zimmerman may be found guilty of a civil rights violation such as preventing Martin from use of a public sidewalk but I am sure the penalty for that cannot appease those that are trying to whip so many into a frenzied mob.
Those who keep convicting Zimmerman without any real believable scenarios in accordance with the evidence should move over to a conservative web site where cognitive dissonance is an honored tradition.
I do not know whether Zimmerman is guilty or not but certainly he will not find the answer at the hands of this unthinking mob with their pile on mentality.

just spare us with this defense of a 204 pound grown man that was 28 years old, needing a gun to defend himself against a 158 pound 17 year old minor that just turned 17. His injuries wasn't even life threatening. Zimmerman provoked the incident also.

And the Sanford Police Department is no friend to the Black community of Sanford, which is on record. It does really raise suspicions. Why did the vehicle turnover? Was the weather conditions bad? Were they driving too fast? So what was the Sanford police's determination why this vehicle turned over at an intersection, and was the driver at fault?

"Trayvon Martin's parents if they were aware of the racist nature of our society shoulld have taught him to avoid the cruelest consequence of that racism. They should have taught him when it is appropriate to back down and to pick your battles."

Way to fucking blame the victim, blame the parent and blame his race for getting shot!

Sick bigoted shit...

The above post is an ugly, racist, 'blame the color of the victim's skin for getting himself killed' statement.

UGGGGHHH!

This is NOT a difference of opinion, Jurors.

I have seen one other posting on DU about Trayvon's murder which also had a 'blame the parents' meme and that sick post was hidden:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3211761

The one above is even worse, because this poster is essentially telling Blacks that they are back in the Jim Crow era, and Black kids like Trayvon should know better than to walk on a public sidewalk in the presence of a white man and then run from him, and his parent's should have taught him the consequences of doing that.

"THEY SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT HIM TO AVOID...THE...CONSEQUENCES OF...RACISM."

I have never had a post hidden. Only 5 DUers have had me on ignore in the entire 7 and 1/2 years I've been a member, and I have had about 17 on ignore. This is a deal breaker for me, though. I don't care to associate with anyone who believes that that sick racist sentiment is just a difference of opinion, so please, would the jurors, and anyone else who thinks that, just PM me and I'll put you on ignore to save us all from having to read each others "difference of opinions".

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exactly as expected.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=545130

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

Crazy, bigoted, hurtful, insensitive post. I can't believe I just read this:

"Trayvon Martin's parents if they were aware of the racist nature of our society shoulld have taught him to avoid the cruelest consequence of that racism. They should have taught him when it is appropriate to back down and to pick your battles."

MIRT ALERTED for trollish talk

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:02 PM, and voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Agree with Alerter.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Inappropriate on so many levels. Racist, and blaming the victims of this tragedy.

Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: it is an opinion - and will be debated. this is what discussion is.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I think you are letting your TM is always right, GZ is always wrong get the better of you. Come to grips with the fact that the case is over, and get a life, if not a clue. Oh, and for the record... maybe spend some time researching posts in GD about people 'telling their kids' about how racist, corrupt and evil the police are, and the warnings they give to them about what they could be facing. That should keep your little alert finger busy for a while.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Oh dear, a differing opinion! Cue the mob!

Thank you.