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elleng

(131,077 posts)
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 06:57 PM Jul 2013

House Narrowly Rejects Effort to Limit N.S.A. Surveillance.

Last edited Wed Jul 24, 2013, 07:46 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: nyt

A divided House defeated legislation Wednesday that would have blocked the National Security Agency from collecting vast amounts of phone records, handing the Obama administration a hard-fought victory in the first Congressional showdown on intelligence policy since Edward J. Snowden’s security breaches last month.

But the bipartisan coalition, pressing to rein in the N.S.A., vowed that increasing outrage unleashed by Mr. Snowden’s leaks would overwhelm opposition in the coming months.

The 217-205 vote was far closer than expected and displayed the shifting allegiances and fierce lobbying on both sides.


Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/us/politics/house-defeats-effort-to-rein-in-nsa-data-gathering.html?hp

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House Narrowly Rejects Effort to Limit N.S.A. Surveillance. (Original Post) elleng Jul 2013 OP
Amazing the vote was close. Maybe there has been an awakening. Reasons to be cheerful, 1,2,3 . . . leveymg Jul 2013 #1
I'm surprised, I'll tell ya. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #2
After the results today's vote on the Amash amendment Lonr Jul 2013 #3
Welcome to DU leveymg Jul 2013 #6
217-205 deurbano Jul 2013 #4
Wow that was close! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #12
We will get strict limitations on the surveillance. It is just a matter of time. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #5
yup, seems that the TP'rs are not happy either nt littlewolf Jul 2013 #25
TP? Test Point? Toilet Paper? Tony's Pony? Tipping Point? Toronto's People? RC Jul 2013 #26
sorry I meant "tea party" it seems they joined with the Dems to try littlewolf Jul 2013 #31
All their insider trading and deals can be traced just from the megadata. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #32
Link: Hissyspit Jul 2013 #7
Article link regarding the Amash vote... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #8
Same as it ever was... dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #9
"...majority of Republicans voted against the measure while a majority of Democrats voted for it. deurbano Jul 2013 #10
And both Leaders Boehner and Pelosi voted against it. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2013 #15
At least my Rep (Jackie Speier) voted for it. deurbano Jul 2013 #17
My Rep Mark Amodei also voted for it. He finally got something right. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2013 #19
GOP wants it as a talking point to divide and conquer. joshcryer Jul 2013 #23
It's Obama's fault BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #11
yep, he should have endorsed it... would have got some more dem votes usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #13
In fact he actually actively opposed it. (n/t) a2liberal Jul 2013 #18
He actively lobbied to have it defeated vi5 Jul 2013 #27
Yeah RobinA Jul 2013 #30
Of course it is. Did he support it? JackRiddler Jul 2013 #29
I'm pleased it was that close, indeed. Waiting for the roll call so I can see 'who is who' on this Purveyor Jul 2013 #14
Roll Call: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml deurbano Jul 2013 #16
Thanks. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #20
Thanks so much for the link. :) eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #28
Woo Hoo! pmorlan1 Jul 2013 #21
Kick n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #22
Well, glad it is at least something we can debate. /nt Ash_F Jul 2013 #24
 

Lonr

(103 posts)
3. After the results today's vote on the Amash amendment
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 07:02 PM
Jul 2013

I find I can no longer support increased restrictions on assault weapons...

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. We will get strict limitations on the surveillance. It is just a matter of time.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 07:05 PM
Jul 2013

We need to make this a big issue in the 2014 election.

The gun advocates won't want this surveillance any more than we liberals do.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
26. TP? Test Point? Toilet Paper? Tony's Pony? Tipping Point? Toronto's People?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 09:18 AM
Jul 2013

Why can't people spell stuff out and eliminate the confusion caused by not being able to read minds.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
32. All their insider trading and deals can be traced just from the megadata.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jul 2013

Easy to investigate. You know right where to look and whom to call once you have the metadata.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
7. Link:
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 07:06 PM
Jul 2013
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/backers-surveillance-program-battle-challenge

HOUSE REJECTS EFFORT TO CUT OFF NSA PROGRAM
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— Jul. 24 6:58 PM EDT
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Rep. Justin Amash, R-Mich. returns to his office on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, July 24, 2013, after a meeting with constituents, before the vote on the Defense spending bill in the House containing his amendment to cut funding to the National Security Agency's program that collects phone records. The White House and congressional backers of the NSA's electronic surveillance program are warning that ending the massive collection of phone records from millions of Americans would put the nation at risk from another terrorist attack. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)


FILE - This June 6, 2013 file photo shows the sign outside the National Security Administration (NSA) campus in Fort Meade, Md. The authority of the National Security Agency to collect phone records of millions of Americans sharply divided members of Congress on Tuesday as the House pressed ahead on legislation to fund the nation's military. (AP Photo/Patrick Semansky, File)


Rep. Justin Amash, R-Mich. walks through a basement tunnel to the House of Representatives on Capitol Hill, Wednesday, July 24, 2013, for the vote on his amendment to the Defense spending bill that would cut funding to the National Security Agency's phone surveillance program. The White House and congressional backers of the NSA's electronic surveillance program are warning that ending the massive collection of phone records from millions of Americans would put the nation at risk from another terrorist attack. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The House has voted to continue the collection of hundreds of millions of Americans' phone records in the fight against terrorism.

The House rejected a measure to end the program's authority. The vote was 217-205 on Wednesday.

Republican Rep. Justin Amash had challenged the program as an indiscriminate collection of phone records. His measure, if approved by the full House and Senate and signed by the president, would have ended the program's statutory authority.

The White House, national security experts in Congress and the Republican establishment had lobbied hard against Amash's effort.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
8. Article link regarding the Amash vote...
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 07:07 PM
Jul 2013


House rejects proposal to restrict NSA program

(CNN) - The House Wednesday narrowly defeated a proposal to sharply restrict the NSA’s phone surveillance program exposed by Edward Snowden.

A coalition of libertarian, liberal and conservative lawmakers had pushed for curbs on the blanket collection of phone records, arguing the program was too broad and intrusive. The vote, on an amendment to a defense spending bill, failed 205 to 217.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/24/house-rejects-proposal-to-restrict-nsa-program/


joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
23. GOP wants it as a talking point to divide and conquer.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:50 AM
Jul 2013

Most of the teabagger base would be for the bill. Those GOPers voting against it are doing it for strategic reasons.

(The Dems voting against it, of course, are just stupid DINOs for the most part; though some have their reasons too.)

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
27. He actively lobbied to have it defeated
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 09:25 AM
Jul 2013

So yes, he does bear some responsibility. Especially given that the vote was that close. It wouldn't have taken that many more Dem votes for it to pass.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
29. Of course it is. Did he support it?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:30 AM
Jul 2013

No, the administration opposed it strongly and treated it like an emergency, with Alexander et al. lobbying like mad. Obviously this is worth a 7 vote swing.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
14. I'm pleased it was that close, indeed. Waiting for the roll call so I can see 'who is who' on this
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 07:35 PM
Jul 2013

matter.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
21. Woo Hoo!
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 11:28 PM
Jul 2013

Ultimately, 94 House Republicans defied their leadership; 111 Democrats — a majority of the Democratic caucus — defied their president.

“This is only the beginning,” Mr. Conyers vowed after the vote. The fight will shift to the Senate, where two longtime Democratic critics of N.S.A. surveillance, Mark Udall of Colorado and Ron Wyden of Oregon, immediately took up the cause.

“National security is of paramount importance, yet the N.S.A.’s dragnet collection of Americans’ phone records violates innocent Americans’ privacy rights and should not continue as its exists today,” Mr. Udall said after the vote. “The U.S. House of Representatives’ bipartisan vote today proposal should be a wake-up call for the White House.”


Conyers is right. This is only the beginning. It was a great 1st time at bat - we hit a triple. We almost won this vote despite the heavy lobbying and arm twisting. What's more, the public crossed Party lines and temporarily put partisanship aside in order to help defeat a common foe. I dare say the establishment politicos and NSA supporters were probably shaken by the strength of the opposition. Despite the defeat on paper this was a great day for those of us who have been fighting against this illegal surveillance since the Bush years. They are now in a defensive position. YES!
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