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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 09:54 AM Jul 2013

Holder Wants Texas to Clear Voting Changes With the U.S.

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced on Thursday that the Justice Department would ask a court to require Texas to get permission from the federal government before making voting changes in that state for the next decade. The move opens a new chapter in the political struggle over election rules after the Supreme Court struck down a portion of the Voting Rights Act last month.

In prepared remarks for a speech before the National Urban League in Philadelphia, Mr. Holder also indicated that the court motion — expected to be filed later on Thursday — is most likely just an opening salvo in a new Obama administration strategy to try to reimpose “preclearance” requirements in parts of the country that have a history of discriminating against minority voters.

His statements come as states across the South, from Texas to North Carolina, have been rushing to enforce or enact new restrictions on voting eligibility after the Supreme Court’s ruling in the Shelby County v. Holder case, which removed that safeguard.

“This is the department’s first action to protect voting rights following the Shelby County decision, but it will not be our last,” Mr. Holder said. “Even as Congress considers updates to the Voting Rights Act in light of the court’s ruling, we plan, in the meantime, to fully utilize the law’s remaining sections to subject states to preclearance as necessary. My colleagues and I are determined to use every tool at our disposal to stand against such discrimination wherever it is found.”

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/26/us/holder-wants-texas-to-clear-voting-changes-with-the-us.html

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Holder Wants Texas to Clear Voting Changes With the U.S. (Original Post) onehandle Jul 2013 OP
3... 2... 1... lamp_shade Jul 2013 #1
I love how the headline reads as if Texas isn't part of the Union. nt onehandle Jul 2013 #2
A gutsy move by Holder. If he can get this done (tho I have my doubts) it'll be lamp_shade Jul 2013 #3
I'll enjoy watching Holder drag the GOP through the mud, however long it takes. freshwest Jul 2013 #23
Yeah, I caught that too.. the U.S. vs Texas. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #4
Wait a minute, Texas has an oil economy that it could fall back on, especially since the DhhD Jul 2013 #12
No way could oil make up for the loss of federal expenditure in Texas . . . MrModerate Jul 2013 #21
Although it has nothing to do with voting rights, here's food for thought: freshwest Jul 2013 #24
I lived in Clear Lake City for 8 years from 1976 to 1984. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #25
I don't live there anymore. I moved to WA, where the two basic forces mentioned are ruining us. freshwest Jul 2013 #28
Wishful thinking? lark Jul 2013 #8
For the Love of Revs Jim & Tammy No Please!!!!! I have to live in this outhouse of a state BlueManFan Jul 2013 #16
Feel for you lark Jul 2013 #18
I Feel Your Pain...Literally BlueManFan Jul 2013 #19
I'm a Texas native . . . MrModerate Jul 2013 #22
I Live In Houston BlueManFan Jul 2013 #29
And if you want a heavy dose of smarm with your teabag . . . MrModerate Jul 2013 #30
DOJ will have to include Iliyah Jul 2013 #5
How about North Carolina, too? PlanetBev Jul 2013 #6
It's always a pleasure to be able to agree with Holder about something. bemildred Jul 2013 #7
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2013 #9
Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Wisconsin should be next meow2u3 Jul 2013 #10
How dare you piss on a good ol' DU-approved South-bashing thread?! kentauros Jul 2013 #26
showdown at the OK corral RussBLib Jul 2013 #11
K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #13
As A Proud Progressive Living in the teabagger hell that Texas has become BlueManFan Jul 2013 #14
And On A Different Note-My TV Was On MSNBC While I was doing some chores and Chris Mathews BlueManFan Jul 2013 #15
Texas, Pennsylvania, North Carolina Tx4obama Jul 2013 #17
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #20
It's good to keep this voting-rights-fight in the headlines until November 2014 Kolesar Jul 2013 #27
Eric, PLEASE ADD FLORIDA DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #31

lamp_shade

(14,836 posts)
3. A gutsy move by Holder. If he can get this done (tho I have my doubts) it'll be
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:08 AM
Jul 2013

a big feather in his cap. GO HOLDER!!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
23. I'll enjoy watching Holder drag the GOP through the mud, however long it takes.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:47 PM
Jul 2013

It was one of Obama's SOTU goals that will be carried out, without any credit, of course, just like the other ones. The sputtering and howls of rage from the GOP have only begun. The real We The People, not the faux Koch patriots, are going to take our government back, haha!

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
4. Yeah, I caught that too.. the U.S. vs Texas.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:12 AM
Jul 2013

Close every military base in Texas, and we win. The state will shrivel up and blow away without the federal government teat. Anyone who thinks differently is Rick Perry, Louie Gohmert, Ted Cruz, or any of the other cast of characters Texas has foisted on the rest of us.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
12. Wait a minute, Texas has an oil economy that it could fall back on, especially since the
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:53 PM
Jul 2013

State Department allowed foreign oil refineries in Texas and oil filled pipelines from all over America, Canada and Mexico to come in to Texas.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
21. No way could oil make up for the loss of federal expenditure in Texas . . .
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:26 PM
Jul 2013

Not to mention all the new duties of a soveriegn state they'd have to take on.

Which doesn't mean I wouldn't be happy to see the ass-end of Texas' spavined horse as it rode off out of the Union.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
24. Although it has nothing to do with voting rights, here's food for thought:
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 01:02 AM
Jul 2013

Texas leaving the Union would not harm those who live abroad and draw federal benefits, Social Security and Medicare and VA.

The harm on the people of Texas come from the GOP goons. State run programs are being slashed there. Medicaid, education and anything else the GOP goes after happens in every state.

Technically this is part of the American aeronautics program, it's some of the federal spending that you mention here:


A 1989 aerial view of the Johnson Space Center, located in Houston.

I attended public school with the children of the engineers who came from around the world to work at NASA in the days before the first Moon shots. Clear Lake is a nice area, and when I lived there it had a seemingly liberal in tone as many areas of Texas that have well-educated people. Defense and contracting is a big part of the Texas economy:

The defense/military industry is the second largest sector of the Texas economy, trailing behind the petroleum and gas industry.

A little information on the Texas Economy:


The ship channel at the Port of Houston—the largest in the U.S. in international commerce and the sixth-largest port in the world.

I'm having trouble believing it's still #1, as I expect the Chinese would have bigger ports. But I grew up within hearing distance of this Port, which was created by man, not nature.

A little bit of data:

The economy of Texas is one of the largest and most rapidly growing economies in the United States. As of 2013, Texas is home to six of the top 50 companies on the Fortune 500 list and 51 overall, (third most after New York and California).[9]

As the largest exporter of goods in the United States, Texas currently[when?] grosses more than $100 billion a year in trade with other nations. As a sovereign country (in 2012), Texas would be the 14th largest economy in the world by GDP (ahead of South Korea and the Netherlands).[10] Despite Texas's growing economy, it is also one of the impoverished states in the United States.

In 2011,Texas had a gross state product of $1.332 trillion,[11] the second highest in the U.S.[12][13] Texas's household income was $48,259 in 2010 ranking 25th in the nation, below the national average, though the ranking does not factor in the state's lower-than-average cost of living.




Well, we all know what that is, they are in every state with oil.

Texans consume the most energy in the nation both in per capita and as a whole.[32] Since 2002, Texas has operated under a mostly deregulated electricity market (however, areas where electricity is provided by either a municipality or a utility cooperative are not always subject to deregulation).

The known petroleum deposits of Texas are about 8 billion barrels (1.3×109 m3), which makes up approximately one-third of the known U.S. supply. Texas has 4.6 billion barrels (730,000,000 m3) of proven crude oil reserves.[32] As wells are depleted in the eastern portions of the state, drilling in state has moved westward.[27]

Several of the major oil companies have headquarters in Texas, including ConocoPhillips, Marathon Oil (Houston), Exxon-Mobil (Irving), Tesoro, and Valero (San Antonio).

Texas is a global leader in the energy industry and Houston is the energy capital of the world. Since 2003, Texas state officials have created various initiatives like the Texas Enterprise Fund and the Texas Emerging Technology Fund to develop the economy of Texas.

Texas is a leader in alternative energy sources, producing the most wind power of any state,[33] as well as small solar powered efforts and the experimental installation of wave-powered generators.

Texas also is home to many of the world's largest oilfield services firms including Halliburton, Schlumberger and Dresser. The state has a number of pipeline operators, such as El Paso and Dynegy, along with diversified energy firms such as TXU and Reliant Energy. The state also provides the most energy for the USA.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Texas

I think the page needs updating, as I feel certain that other states would make the claim that they have more wind, solar and wave power geneation than Texas.

Of course, we're talking about something will never happen. Texas isn't going anywhere. We need to put Texas back in the BLUE column where it belongs, and make sure we stay BLUE in other states.

The same strategies used to take over Texas for regressives work well everywhere.

First vector is building up RW religion.

Second one is Libertarianism.

Just sayin'

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
25. I lived in Clear Lake City for 8 years from 1976 to 1984.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 10:30 AM
Jul 2013

There were plenty of rednecks around, but Texas was still fairly sane and Democratic. The gov was a Dem when we moved there, but a Republican was elected while I lived there. The great Jim Hightower was the editor of the great "Texas Observer" and won election as Agriculture Commissioner a year or so before I moved. Barbara Jordan, one of my heroes, had long retired.

Of course the state went for Reagan in 1980, and conservatives really started taking hold, except for a brief 4 years when Ann Richards was gov. Religion has taken over Texas, as it has the Republican party. The state is a pure oligarchy and theocracy all at the same time.

When I speak ill of Texas, I know there are good liberals down there working to turn the tide, but, after spending half of last year in Midland/Odessa area caring for my husband's dying father, I know how difficult it will be. Preachers rule, Fox News rules, and idiocracy rules. Texas may have a huge economy on their own, but so many people are poor and unhealthy, at least in the Permian Basin area.
Like any third world country, the gap between rich and poor in Texas is appalling, but, hey, McDonald's is paying $10/hr in Odessa thanks to the new oil boom. Those are most of the jobs Rick Perry has created.

My nephew has a mangled hand thanks to working in a factory where the safety devices had been removed to speed production. No fall out at all for the company. They didn't even cover all his medical bills. It's Texas, we don't need no sissy regulations here cause Jesus will take care of us. My nephew and the whole family are still religious right wing Republicans.

and a little more about my in-laws.. My brother in law told us last year we couldn't really be Christian if we vote for Obama because he's not a Christian. I burst out laughing and asked him how he could vote for Rmoney, who is definitely NOT a Christian. My sister in law shook her head and said she was struggling with that, but felt Jesus would answer her prayers and guide her vote.
They don't like Rick Perry because I think they believe some of the rumors about him; you know, "the preacher said...."
I could go on and on, but you know cause you live there.

Best of luck.. When I moved to Colorado in 1984, it was pretty red. Now we're blue! You can do it too!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
28. I don't live there anymore. I moved to WA, where the two basic forces mentioned are ruining us.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 01:28 PM
Jul 2013

I moved over twenty years ago, having grown in a progressive era in Texas as you describe. I won't detail what I've seen in other places or here.

The RWR vote as the Libertarians to privatize everything and defund all the rest. They have their boot on the neck of progressives and want to destroy the liberal bastion of Seattle.

They have the media and church to sell their reality. The suburbs are firmly in either or both of those two camps and are intent on strangling good governance.

It's impossible to discuss policy with those who hate government from propaganda, or those who seek to devour programs by privatizing and becoming rich.

Libertarians have taken over and are destroying what we had with glee, proud of themselves. It is why I warn people to not think Texans are by nature, stupid, gullible or bigoted. Regional or state bashing is a deflection off the uneasy reality building in their own backyards.

I have seen things just as bad happening here as I saw down south, in every venue and policy. Some people have blinders on or are living in the past, thinking they are better. It can happen in any state, and will, if people play the game of division.


lark

(23,123 posts)
8. Wishful thinking?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:50 PM
Jul 2013

Hey, I'd contribute to "HELP TEXAS SECEED", even though I have tons of relatives there.

BlueManFan

(256 posts)
16. For the Love of Revs Jim & Tammy No Please!!!!! I have to live in this outhouse of a state
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:42 PM
Jul 2013

for 4 more years till I can retire. I Hate this place and vomit in my mouth when I hear some self righteous Texan blow on about how great this shithole is. But I'm stuck like chuck.

lark

(23,123 posts)
18. Feel for you
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:06 PM
Jul 2013

I'll have to live in redneck No. FL. as long as my 89 year old mother lives, so I'm really stuck between a rock and a hard place. I love my mom and she's in decent shape for a person her age, so I could be here some time.

BlueManFan

(256 posts)
19. I Feel Your Pain...Literally
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:05 PM
Jul 2013

Florida and Texas take turns being the most dysfunctional state in the Union and we both have sphincters for Governors.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
22. I'm a Texas native . . .
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:28 PM
Jul 2013

And have even had to live in the place a couple of times. What a pesthole.

Happily, I've escaped to the other side of the planet . . . but my company has a headquarters in Houston and could send me back on a moment's notice.

Makes me nervous.

BlueManFan

(256 posts)
29. I Live In Houston
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 03:17 PM
Jul 2013

and if you're not inside the loop its teabagger hell. I'm outside the beltway and these idiots want to secede.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
30. And if you want a heavy dose of smarm with your teabag . . .
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 07:37 PM
Jul 2013

Try Sugar Land (about which I don't need to tell you anything) where I lived before escaping to Australia.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
5. DOJ will have to include
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:20 PM
Jul 2013

NC and FL and those are the ones I know about. Why do these states hate democracy?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. It's always a pleasure to be able to agree with Holder about something.
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:29 PM
Jul 2013

I think they should make it global, everywhere. It's not enough, but it's a start. We need a lot more regulation of state elections. The states are not private fiefdoms.

States have no sovereignty anyway, that's bullshit, you cannot have two sovereigns.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
10. Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Wisconsin should be next
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:15 PM
Jul 2013

Voter suppression isn't limited to Southern states with a centuries-old history of disenfranchising minorities. New voter suppression tactics are also targeting more than just minorities for disenfranchisement in purple states.

The most egregious voter suppression tactic that needs to be quashed is the voter ID laws that pick and choose the IDs that are acceptable, depending on whether they're connected with repuke voters. Voter ID laws are illegal devices that target young voters, especially college students (26th Amendment violation); women, most of whom changed their names after they married (19th Amendment violation), and poor whites for disenfranchisment--not just racial, ethnic, and linguistic minorities.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
26. How dare you piss on a good ol' DU-approved South-bashing thread?!
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 10:52 AM
Jul 2013


I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of which states should be visited by Holder's DOJ next. It's too bad the bashers conveniently ignore those problem-states...

Really, y'all! It's the Republicans that are the problem, not whole states. Please attempt to remember that.

RussBLib

(9,021 posts)
11. showdown at the OK corral
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 03:23 PM
Jul 2013

Oh, I can just hear the howls of outrage that this will provoke.

Grab your guns b4 the Feds do y'all!

BlueManFan

(256 posts)
14. As A Proud Progressive Living in the teabagger hell that Texas has become
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:36 PM
Jul 2013

I say bring it on Eric and shove it right down Gov. Prick Perry's throat. This state is a racist shithole.

BlueManFan

(256 posts)
15. And On A Different Note-My TV Was On MSNBC While I was doing some chores and Chris Mathews
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:38 PM
Jul 2013

Hardball came on. Does this gasbag douche always ask questions and then completely bloviate over his guests....most of whom are trying to agree with him???? What a gasbag. The Bill O the Clown of MSNBC??????

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
17. Texas, Pennsylvania, North Carolina
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:43 PM
Jul 2013

Texas

Suits have been filed in Texas...

July 12, 2013 DU thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251315404



Pennsylvania


Pennsylvania Republican Chairman Admits Voter ID Laws Hurt Obama

July 19, 2013 DU thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251316386



North Carolina

North Carolina Senate Passes the Most Draconian Voter Suppression Bill Ever

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251316862



The Republicans are giving the DOJ all the evidence they need in order to put those states on the clearance list since Section 3 of the VRA is still intact.

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
27. It's good to keep this voting-rights-fight in the headlines until November 2014
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 10:54 AM
Jul 2013

Minority voters were motivated to vote to deny the racist republicans a victory.

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