is my pick.

to having both a female president and vice-president.

But I'd vote for that ticket anyway...

but I will vote for Hilary in the General Election if she is the Democratic nominee.

I guess it's sort of a "Council of Heads" ....Last few weeks it was the Bushies...now it's the Clintons.

Sounds like a BIG "POW WOW" going on with HEADS OF STATE (except Carter/Gore) being approached...Something BIG...coming.

Just so you know.

We need to start moving this country to the Left, not farther to the Right. We don't need to continue policies bu$h started, into a third Administration.

How is that "natural gas - the clean energy" program that both these individuals love doing right now?

The public is realizing more and more each day how much we as a nation must give up to continue the fracking and the pipelines. Maybe the Clinton-Obama lunch is to figure out a strategy to deal with the bumps in the road for fracking and Keystone.

Here is what Hillary will say at the lunch behind closed doors:

"now Barry, there is where you pay me for supporting you. By the way, if you just let me run first, I would have handed you a better nation, gotten that grand bargain, and the keystone pipeline, and you would be my VP that could just give speeches while Uncle Bill ran things. You know Jane Hamsher and Maureen Dowd are already writing the elegy where you should have stayed out of my way, and they will praise me once I obliterate Iran."

Not necessarily a positive thing in some instances.

She can now speak against the Keystone Pipeline
She can say she would offer peace talks with Iran
She can say that she will flat out NOT cut any more social programs (aka "entitlements&quot

She won't though, and you know it.

Bill has already said that he would like her to stay away from politics for a year, that she needs a break.

will be saying just the things you suggest.

Then once in office, the campaign pledges can all be forgotten, as the inconveniences they really and truly are.

More like:

For the Keystone Pipeline, against re-exportation (nice sound bite, but meaningless).

For peace talks with Iran (nice sound bite, but won't lift sanctions).

For not cutting social programs (nice sound bite, but it'd be followed by "deficit cuts&quot .

She will do all of those things, if she decides to run. (It's unclear at this juncture but she's obviously probing.)

She'll come off as more of a populist / leftist than Obama. Hopefully we'll remove our rose colored glasses.

Given that Jane Hamsher was a huge Hillary shill. This is not a joke.

I don't see her attacking Iran, though. The country is too far in debt to do another war on a mostly irrelevant country now that Syria is at perpetual civil war.

I am so sick of her coyness.

She didn't release anything. The WH released the president's schedule, as is customary.

Gee, this place is as bad as a RW site...........

These are elected officials meeting with a private citizen. Until the law was trampled into irrelevance by the Bush Administration, such meetings were required to be disclosed, and are still required by the premises of good taste and good government, if not also the law.

It is comparatively easy to deduce the overall intent of the meetings, which is that Mrs. Clinton is ironing out some details regarding her expected Presidential run.

The meeting with Biden is actually the more important one. Joe Biden might be considered a dark horse in 2014, but he's also one of the most prominent and qualified warhorses of the Democratic Party. As President of the Senate, Biden has also been unusually adept at helping to coordinate and implement the plans made between the Executive Branch and the Senate.

It's entirely possible that Joe Biden likes his job as chief cat-herder in the Senate, which opens up the interesting possibility that Mrs. Clinton is asking Joe if he'd like to keep his job as Vice President. That's highly speculative at this point in time, but it's worth filing away....

He's not in the habit of inviting people just for the heck of it.

Hmmm..........

so many Clinton and DLC hacks into his cabinet, because he lacks the courage to be a true progressive, and do the cleaning of house we need. Because we as a party still love that slobbering Big Dog she has for a husband, and that Hillary will still hide behind that beast.

Also, he does though his foundation more good in one week than most of us will get to do in a lifetime. And more importantly, that's the man she loves.

It's about 2016 and nothing else. Obama is not inviting her to get some grandiose advice on how to govern. This is about 2016 and pure ol' fashioned politics.

It would be wise for all involved in her running in 2016 to cool it. People will resent and push back against the idea that she's a shoo in. Just telling you right now. I believe a large part of PBO's support in 07/08 came from the Dem base rebelling against the air of inevitability from Mrs. Clinton's campaign and supporters. No one owes their vote to a particular candidate. I generally support her for 2016, but I don't want or need any help in deciding whom I'll vote for in the '16 primary.

Hillary Clinton has been out of office for about six months so it isn't that surprising they would be keeping in contact.

We can imply what we want about the meeting, but we really don't know.

Lunch is just another word for dinner.

The GOP needs to be whupped with a big old ugly stick for their obstruction in the different states. Or they may be planning to find a dark horse for 2016.

I don't think Hillary can win the general, even if the Democratic Party showered her with rose petals. Unless the independents side with her,

The RWRs and RWNJs will make sure she's not elected. Any state where the Libertarian gun fanatics hold sway, she'll lose. They and the CT gangsters haven't forgotten about Waco.

The rest have been hating on her for years and made her name a dirty word. That goes for a lot of DUers who hate her worse than they do Obama.

Now in the real world, IDK. I don't care for her, but I think she would push for the rights of all. Just too much baggage, I think, and not all of it is her fault.

newly inaugurated when the FBI and Branch Davidians had their show-down. Does the RW think Hillary was a behind-the-scenes player in the firery denouement?

You might be able to hold a grudge against Janet Reno (alhtough she too had only been in her post a matter of weeks, IIRC). But Hillary and Waco?

If they actually hold Waco against Hillary, that takes crackpottery to a whole new level.

FWIW, the FBI totally fucked up in Waco and then lied about it repeatedly after the fact. But that's on the FBI, not on Hillary.

I lived near Waco and saw live coverage of that and watched as the ATF climbed on the roof. The seige began and a lot of things were done that galvanized people who were neutral. The backlash may have played a role in the Texas governor Ann Richards being defeated by George Bush.

As far as Hillary, the RWNJs claimed she and Reno were gay, Hillary had Foster murdered, the same gig they've tried to pin on Obama repeatedly.

There was a genre of dreckt about Hillary, Bill, Reno, etc. All of Hill's ideas were seen as commie. The 'it takes a village to raise a child' was used to say it was an attack on families. They even said Chelsea was a threat. A magazine said she must be killed because the entire family was evil.

They said Hillary wanted to take kids away from their parents and turn them gay, because she was. That it was the only reason she'd stayed with philandering Bill. Amd Rush said she wanted to set up Death Panels with her speech in Congress for healthcare reform.

The other crowd said the Bushes and Clintons were all involved with murder and drug running, The entire family is demonic according to the RWNJs. They haven't regained sanity, either.

The attitude of DUers to Hillary and her supporters doesn't bode well for nomination or success in the general. Bill's welfare reform and trade agreements are being laid at her feet and everything else she does in business. Or did abroad. I considered her to be more hawkish than Obama.

true remorse (not happening). That said, I believe in holding politicians responsible for the things they actually were\are responsible for, not crazy-ass shit like the FBI's pyro attack on the Branch Davidian compound. That's on the FBI (and possibly ATF, although I think the FBI's HRT had taken jurisdiction by the time the final raid went down) and not on Hillary.

Depending on what odious vermin the Republicans pick will probably determine whether I hold my nose and vote for HRC (assuming she's the Dem nominee).

I don't think I've ever listened to more than about 5 seconds of Rush. Not sure why other than that I read more than I listen to radio or watch TV, so never went searching for him. Based on what I've read here, he's a real 'repulsivo' (term I borrowed from Kasdan's The Big Chill).

Thanks for the details and ruminations.

My sister is a teabagger and loves her. Wrote her in at last election. A lot of right wing women like her.

It's likely she's talking to Obama about basically assimilating his administration into her own. 3 years out is about right. She'll start campaigning in 2.

the end of civilization as we know it.

Time to bring in a fresh perspective.

Warren is good but I want other options as well. Warren would be my top pick but I want realistic possibilities.

White House experience AND now executive experience. Or he could well be a candidate for Hillary's running-mate.

the guy that called leftists "retards' and tried to castrate the ACA, in his own words "begging him not to do this?"