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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 08:45 AM Aug 2013

Suspect in custody after four killed, four wounded in shooting rampage in Dallas, DeSoto

Source: Dallas Morning News

Authorities say a grenade-wielding man on a shooting rampage in Dallas and DeSoto late Wednesday killed four people and wounded four others.

The suspect has been identified as Erbie Bowser, 44, but the names of the victims have not been released. Authorities say it appears he was trying to kill a former girlfriend. It is believed she is among the victims.

Officials say Bowser’s rampage began about 10:30 p.m. Wednesday in Dallas at a home in the 7100 block of Long Canyon Trail, near West Wheatland Road and Mountain Creek Parkway. He killed two people and wounded two others there, police said.

Bowser then went to a home in the 100 block of Galleria Drive in DeSoto, where he threw a hand grenade into the living room before shooting and killing two women, police said. He also wounded two children.

When DeSoto officers arrived, Bowser pretended to be among the victims. But officers quickly determined he was their suspect and took him into custody....

Read more: http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/suspect-in-custody-after-four-killed-four-injured-in-shooting-rampage-in-dallas-and-desoto-late-wednesday.html/

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Suspect in custody after four killed, four wounded in shooting rampage in Dallas, DeSoto (Original Post) Robb Aug 2013 OP
Where the hell do you buy a grenade? newfie11 Aug 2013 #1
I was wondering the same thing A Little Weird Aug 2013 #2
There's videos on how to make them on Youtube. nt shawn703 Aug 2013 #3
Someplace in Texas has them for sale. UCmeNdc Aug 2013 #5
You don't need the Sarsasm tag... Lochloosa Aug 2013 #7
Some reports mention a possible military connection hack89 Aug 2013 #8
I'm heaven05 Aug 2013 #10
You steal it. MicaelS Aug 2013 #20
Fake Ranger tabasco Aug 2013 #27
he's military, he knows where to get 'em wordpix Aug 2013 #34
Former 'male cheerleader' for Dallas Mavericks CurtEastPoint Aug 2013 #4
PIcture of him and victims in happier days from your link: freshwest Aug 2013 #9
As the Talking Heads once said: maxsolomon Aug 2013 #24
Good tune, I prefer the Alan Parsons and Fleetwood Mac tunes, but TH are good. freshwest Aug 2013 #31
It's the lyrics to The Big Country maxsolomon Aug 2013 #32
Suburbia, huh. Yes, I have my greviances on that issue. But what I'd give for a piece of dirt... freshwest Aug 2013 #33
Second Amendment Remedies for Ex-Girlfriends. nt onehandle Aug 2013 #6
Now if they only had a right to carry guns in that state mikeysnot Aug 2013 #11
Obviously, there aren't enough guns in Texas, so moar gunz is the answer. Ikonoklast Aug 2013 #12
the Mass Shooting du Jour. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #13
This we must resist! Saviolo Aug 2013 #21
Good idea. Who wants to start a mass shootings leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Aristus Aug 2013 #14
And now here come the grenade grabbers Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #15
You have no second amendment right to a grenade. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #17
Uh, sarcasm. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #18
I caught that but I thought AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #19
We need to expand background checks on grenades. Nunliebekinder Aug 2013 #16
Okay, cue NRA talking points about guns from Gundamentalists in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. . . Nanjing to Seoul Aug 2013 #22
The 2A doesn't cover grenades. Settled law. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #26
The well-regulated militia strikes again! tabasco Aug 2013 #25
Clearly.... AZ Mike Aug 2013 #28
Grenade control laws only affect law-abiding grenade owners Robb Aug 2013 #29
Good point. AZ Mike Aug 2013 #30
angry abusive men & the women who love them wordpix Aug 2013 #35

hack89

(39,171 posts)
8. Some reports mention a possible military connection
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:14 AM
Aug 2013

perhaps he is in the National Guard or Reserves and had access to the armory.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
20. You steal it.
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 11:54 AM
Aug 2013

He was a former soldier. Probably stole it when they went to the range one day.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/suspect-in-custody-after-four-killed-four-injured-in-shooting-rampage-in-dallas-and-desoto-late-wednesday.html/

U.S. Army officials confirmed that Bowser served from October 1991 to November 2000, rising to the rank of staff sergeant. Officials said they had no record of Bowser ever being a member of the Army Rangers, although authorities said he had tattoos suggesting that.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. PIcture of him and victims in happier days from your link:
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:24 AM
Aug 2013


The neighborhood looks like a great place to live:



What a shame for all of them, particularly the kids.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
24. As the Talking Heads once said:
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 01:24 PM
Aug 2013

I wouldn't live there if you paid me.
I couldn't live like that, no siree!
I couldn't do the things the way those people do.
I couldn't live there if you paid me to.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
31. Good tune, I prefer the Alan Parsons and Fleetwood Mac tunes, but TH are good.
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 04:02 PM
Aug 2013
I wouldn't live there if you paid me.

There? What goes inside those houses in that neighborhood, can be good, bad, happy or sad.

I couldn't live like that, no siree!


It's the suburbs. That's not my choice, but living in an apartment is not my perfect solution, either. Plenty of room to live in those houses for a family, though. With green grass, trees, yards, driveways and sidewalks. Those are things many in this world are denied.

I couldn't do the things the way those people do.

I'm sure you don't mean 'those people' in a bad way. Nothing notable or outrageous was likely going on until the guy decided he had the right to kill people.

I couldn't live there if you paid me to.

Unsure if you're referring to the region, suburbia or those people. But then, it's just another day on the internet, us talking smack about people we don't know. Gotta go, have a good day.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
32. It's the lyrics to The Big Country
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 05:21 PM
Aug 2013

off More Songs About Buildings and Food. It was appropos for your comment.

You said it looks like a great place to live. I disagree. It looks like car dependency, air conditioning dependency, and soul crushing Anomie.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
33. Suburbia, huh. Yes, I have my greviances on that issue. But what I'd give for a piece of dirt...
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 05:47 PM
Aug 2013

So it looks like luxury to me now. Way too much house, if I had land, I'd put a Tiny House on it and turn the rest all into a garden. Be all solar with panels, passive solar heat and cooking, composting toilet and use grey water for the garden. Have some chickens for pets and eggs, maybe.

When I did have a little suburban home, it was tiny and the back yard was a garden, everything was geared to feed birds and be low energy. When I had a lot of land, it was moreso that way. That's me. It does no good for me to hold my nose and look down on these folks.

Perhaps I should have stated the POSSIBILITY of it being 'a great place to live,' if the culture was more to the way I'd like. I don't believe anything is set in stone, and we know little of these folks and what they were really about. They could have been saintly in their regard for life and their community. All we're being presented with is a caricature of lives now sadly ruined and lost

I see some in suburbia living totally indoor lives with what might as well be astroturf outside. They are being wasteful and unnatural, but have the money to live that way. They'll continue. And these are real people dead in this story, not people for us to throw stones at. Just sayin'

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
21. This we must resist!
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 11:58 AM
Aug 2013

The NRA would love us all to become blase about this sort of thing so that it gets less attention and just gets swept under the rug. Less attention on shootings and gun violence means less attention on the results of unfettered gun ownership and lack of background checks.

We need to talk about it every time it happens, and keep the spotlight on the roaches.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
23. Good idea. Who wants to start a mass shootings
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 01:13 PM
Aug 2013

of the day thread. We could also include all the overnite shootings that are listed in the paper each morning.

God, how many people a day actually die from gunshot? The number must be huge.

Response to Robb (Original post)

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
17. You have no second amendment right to a grenade.
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 11:31 AM
Aug 2013

Miller, etc.

Grenades are classified as 'destructive devices', not firearms. Obtaining the permits to legally acquire one is expensive, slow, and difficult to complete. (and is usually only approved for people making them for sale to the military)

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
22. Okay, cue NRA talking points about guns from Gundamentalists in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. . .
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 12:15 PM
Aug 2013

readying the 2nd amendment allows us hand grenades too.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
25. The well-regulated militia strikes again!
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 01:28 PM
Aug 2013

Was the well-regulated militiaman standing his ground?

AZ Mike

(468 posts)
28. Clearly....
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 01:37 PM
Aug 2013

....bans on grenades do not work. Therefore, there should be no bans on grenades.

When the government outlaws grenades, only renegades have grenades.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
29. Grenade control laws only affect law-abiding grenade owners
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 02:48 PM
Aug 2013

...since criminals don't obey laws anyhow. Why pass them in the first place?

AZ Mike

(468 posts)
30. Good point.
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 02:55 PM
Aug 2013

I saw a guy speeding on the highway this morning. Clearly, speed limits don't work. When the government outlaws high speeds, only speeders get to work on time....

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
35. angry abusive men & the women who love them
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 11:42 PM
Aug 2013

That is the backstory, along with something like this about protective orders:

The first time he did __(abusive act)________, I ignored it.

The second time he did __(abusive act)________, I ignored it.

Repeat refrain several times or more.

We both went to jail b/c one of us hit the other and police were called. I was black and blue but he wasn't. When I was asked at a hearing about the incident, I wasn't asked about all the other times b/c I never reported those.

We went to court and by then I had been apart from him for 4 weeks. I cried every day b/c "I love him."

He never went to an anger management program/counseling b/c this was a "first time" incident and he did indeed stay away from me, so the court didn't require it.

Eventually, he found another girlfriend/wife.

Rinse and repeat until he gets really angry beyond his usual yelling, demeaning, dumping beer on her head, banging her head against the floor, pushing her into the radiator, throwing punches here and there, etc. - and kills someone.

Moral of story is that when an abusive act occurs, file a report immediately against the guy. Otherwise he'll continue to do it and will escalate.



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