"What havoc has been made of books through every century of the Christian era? Where are fifty gospels condemned as spurious by the bull of Pope Gelasius? Where are forty wagon-loads of Hebrew manuscripts burned in France, by order of another pope, because of suspected heresy? Remember the Index Expurgato-rius, the Inquisition, the stake, the axe, the halter, and the guillotine; and, oh! horrible, the rack! This is as bad, if not worse, than a slow fire. Nor should the Lion's Mouth be forgotten. Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years."

John Adams, 2nd President of The United States of America, in a letter to John Taylor in 1814.

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"

John Adams, 2nd President of The United States of America, in a letter to F.A. Van der Kamp December 27, 1816.

I'm glad to see them; contrary to what a lot of folks on the religious right think, the Founding Fathers weren't a bunch of fire-and-brimstone Bible-thumpers. On the contrary, a good many of them were Deists, quite a few were agnostic, and I think there was even an out-and-out atheist among the bunch.

Same Christian Nationalist gang Rand hangs with.

they're really going to ramp up their whining about how they're being persecuted.



MOAR CONSERVATIVE TEARZ, PLEAZE! MY MARTINI IS RUNNING LOW!!!

Did you hear Rand on John Stewart last night? What a lying tool! John Oliver was being way too nice.

his passport revoked.

this guy is a psychopath with a monomaniacal hatred. I wouldn't be at all shocked if he lied like hell.

As I recall, he assaulted a woman up in Portland, OR sometime in the early 1990s. IIRC, she was filming one of his lectures at a church up there, and he went apeshit and started throwing her against the walls and he dragged her across the floor of the church. I do believe the woman received a judgement against him.....I don't remember all the details now, but I do remember thinking, "Yeah, what a man of the cloth, beating up a woman. Just like Jesus would do, right?"

Lively is a major POS as far as I'm concerned.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1243&dat=19921006&id=rGwPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=AYcDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5751,1027169

Lively also wrote a book of revisionist "history" saying that Nazis were only vicious because they were gay.
"The Pink Swastika"

Bush loved palling around with religious terrorists after all.

The Nazi war criminals were tried in Nuremberg. Adolf Eichmann was tried in Israel. Japanese war criminals were tried in Tokyo. Serbian war criminals were tried in The Hague, Netherlands.
Should Pastor Bloody Fingers be tried in Uganda? Or at least, the international court in The Hague?

"ministry" is located in MA and he currently lives there as well.

So it makes sense that this, being a civil trial, would take place in MA court.

Sound international, I thought it was one that had to be filed through international agencies aka the UN.

civil case against Lively; however, if he's found civilly liable, it would perhaps send a message to the other wackadoodles who think like him.

But then again, they will - most likely - go on a shrill, unpleasant whining binge about how they're being persecuted, and it's the worst thing ever, and that soon they'll be put into gas chambers, etc. The usual histrionic hyperbole I've come to expect from the RWNJ's.

Frankly, I've been looking at some of the RW forums, and much to my surprise, they haven't glommed onto this yet. I was expecting Bryan Fischer and his ilk to be handing out plates of martyr cookies, but so far.......nothing.

Funny how the RW always brings up gas chambers...they are the dick stains who use them the most (granted, now they use poison).

Just civil.

Ray Nagin drove them there in the buses.

This case is under a US law regarding crimes against humanity. So it's in a US court.

Next banksters and torturers...

They oppose the UN, international courts and international cooperation in general. They prefer 'national sovereignty' which, not surprisingly, protects fundies like Lively from the effects of international law.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/scott-lively

"It wasn't Lively's first visit to Uganda. In a March 2012 appearance on AFA spokesman Bryan Fischer's radio show, Lively explained that he first went to Uganda in 2002 as a keynote speaker in order to stave off a threat from what he called "the globalists who use the sexual revolution and the Planned Parenthood Federation and the global homosexual movement" to accumulate power and control population. So, according to Lively, these forces started "infiltrating" Uganda, including George Soros, who went into the country and started setting up grassroots networks and "introducing pornography" to the country.

His work in Uganda led to a lawsuit against him under the Alien Tort Claims Act, filed March 14, 2012, by Sexual Minorities Uganda, an LGBT rights group in that country. The lawsuit alleges that Lively conspired with political and religious leaders in Uganda beginning in 2002 to incite anti-gay hysteria with warnings about the dangers of homosexuals to children and homosexuality to Ugandan culture. The anti-gay Liberty Counsel, based in Virginia, announced that it would defend Lively in the case.

Currently, Lively is based in Springfield, Mass., where he moved in January, 2008. He started a new project, "Redemption Gate Mission Society," which is engaged in "bringing a better quality of life" to the city's residents through biblical principles. The center of the project is his Holy Grounds coffee house, which serves as a meeting place for the Mission Society. In early 2011, Lively told the Boston Globe that his focus now was serving the needy.

Lively's hiatus from anti-gay activism was short-lived, however. In March 2011, two months after his interview with the Globe, he was in Moldova to oppose a human rights bill. In a statement that was posted on a Canadian website, Lively said, "What I know now, and have taught the Moldovans, is that the anti-discrimination law is the seed that contains the entire tree of the homosexual agenda, with all of its poisonous fruit." One of Lively's other theories about homosexuality can be found on a Moldovan website. According to the translation, Lively claimed, again, that lobbying for the legalization of homosexuality originates from outside the country, by agents of millionaire George Soros."

is a crime against humanity

if they weren't there already. One of their heroes being "persecuted" by the "UN". Or at least that's how it will be played on RW radio and Glen Beck.

What has happened in Uganda is disgusting, and it couldn't happen to a nicer "pastor".

I would see the two of them on TV, and I'd think, "They should be on the other side." I mentioned this to some gay and lesbian friends, and they said that my impression was almost certainly correct, that they were self-hating closet cases.

The late cartoonish Callahan (Portland-based) drew a cartoon that captured the rumors perfectly but stopped short of being actionable. It pictured two men, one naked with his back to the viewer, and one in a Batman hood wearing fishnet stockings and carrying a whip, answering the door to a pizza delivery man who is saying, "Oh, there must be some mistake. I have a pizza here for Mr. Mabon and Mr. Lively."

from a TV program that used to air on the local ABC affiliate (KATU) called "Townhall". They'd show up every so often, when one of the OCA's initiatives was on the agenda.

Repulsive freaks, both of them; intolerant fanatics. And I was thinking this when I was a teenager! Even my parents, who were fairly right-of-center, didn't like them, considering the OCA extremists and too religiously oriented. My dad in particular had a problem with "preachers getting involved in politics", but then again, he loathed the Birchers back in the 1960s and 70s, considering them "paranoid crazies". If he'd lived to see the Tea Party, he recognize them instantly as JBS 2.0.

On a side note, I want to work for that organization, Who wouldn't want to be a SMUG envoy?