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ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 02:11 PM Sep 2013

Russian MPs want to fly to Washington to sway Syria vote

Source: reuters

Russian lawmakers want to travel to Washington to urge the U.S. Congress not to back President Barack Obama's plan for military strikes on Syria, the speaker of the upper house of parliament told President Vladimir Putin on Monday.

Dismissing U.S. accusations that the Syrian government had killed hundreds of its own people with poison gas as nothing but "talk", senior legislator Valentina Matviyenko said both chambers were ready to send delegations.

Russia is one of the main allies of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and has already blocked several Western-led resolutions in the U.N. Security Council to sanction him over his crackdown on a now 2-1/2-year-old uprising.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/02/us-syria-conflict-russia-usa-idUSBRE9810D420130902



Talking is better than bombing
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Russian MPs want to fly to Washington to sway Syria vote (Original Post) ellenrr Sep 2013 OP
Talking is better than bombing darkangel218 Sep 2013 #1
Will dropping missles on civilians stop it? HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #2
The missles will be targeting military assets and infrastructure darkangel218 Sep 2013 #3
After all the beating . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #12
I have no clue what youre talking about. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #13
And I have no clue why you don't. another_liberal Sep 2013 #14
Most likely you are. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #15
Military is in and around cities. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #25
We have to try and stop Assad. darkangel218 Sep 2013 #26
And if Assad is gone, the rebel groups will go on a murderous spree. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #28
you mean the way the drones target military structures? ellenrr Sep 2013 #32
That is what the US should ask the law makers karynnj Sep 2013 #9
THANK-YOU!! SkyDaddy7 Sep 2013 #31
Will they bring up the 150th anniversary of their fleet visiting the US during the civil war? jakeXT Sep 2013 #4
Wow. I had no idea. arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #6
Britain and France have been allies of the US for a long, long time. France backed us in 1776 Hekate Sep 2013 #20
Post-colonial powers that still have dreams of Empire. arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #21
And what is Russia? They broke up their Soviet Empire when it became unsustainable... Hekate Sep 2013 #24
+1 KoKo Sep 2013 #22
Why don't they fly to Syria instead and promote a ceasefire? Daniel537 Sep 2013 #5
A meeting with the US was scheduled and postponed jakeXT Sep 2013 #7
Why not take unilateral action? Since Russia is the top supplier of weapons to Syria Daniel537 Sep 2013 #8
And Obama has had the CIA training the rebels in Turkey and Jordan. arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #27
The cold war is over... Celefin Sep 2013 #29
Wouldn't that be counter-productive to their goal? another_liberal Sep 2013 #10
What plans? Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #11
The Russians should be Gman23 Sep 2013 #16
Be glad to talk with you - just as soon as Snowden is back on US soil. But if you want our help and 24601 Sep 2013 #17
Perhaps they can share tips on how to crack down on Gay Rights... brooklynite Sep 2013 #18
The same MPs that passed the anti-gay laws? Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #19
Republicans might just put aside their commie-hatred for a while Celefin Sep 2013 #30
We should welcome them here to try to solve the Syria Mess...n/t KoKo Sep 2013 #23
 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
1. Talking is better than bombing
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 02:29 PM
Sep 2013

What about the genocide happening in Syria? Is Russia going to stop it?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
3. The missles will be targeting military assets and infrastructure
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 02:34 PM
Sep 2013

Not civilians.

Assad is the one targeting and mass killing his own people.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
12. After all the beating . . .
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 03:15 PM
Sep 2013

You must be ready for a new war drum, after all the beating your current one has gotten.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
25. Military is in and around cities.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 10:44 PM
Sep 2013

You can guarantee not one single missle will be 100 yds off-target? All it takes is one....hitting a hospital or school. Don't forget, we once hit the Chinese Embassy by mistake.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
26. We have to try and stop Assad.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 10:59 PM
Sep 2013

Of course there is a possibility that there will be civilian casualities. But if we do nothing, Assad's regim will continue to mass murder their own people. And that's not even up for debate, its a guarantee.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
28. And if Assad is gone, the rebel groups will go on a murderous spree.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:05 PM
Sep 2013

Look its a clusterfuck there. Lots more people are going to die no matter what. At least lets make sure they aren't dying because of our bombs. All the civilians our drones have killed, we should just STFU about moral outrage....the only morals we have are those of convienience. Its going to be quite a while until we can claim any moral high ground.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
9. That is what the US should ask the law makers
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 03:08 PM
Sep 2013

At this point, they are denying it happened. However, Russia - or Russia ans Iran - have the standing with Syria to demand that they destroy all chemical weapons they have. If this happened (ie the CW destroyed) , then it would be easy for Obama to state that no bombing is needed - as the goal was to make cw less likely.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
4. Will they bring up the 150th anniversary of their fleet visiting the US during the civil war?
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 02:42 PM
Sep 2013

1863-1864 Russian Fleet Expedition to North America


This American expedition became a military demonstration by Russia during the U.S. Civil War. England and France advocated for the southern rebels. Russia held a friendly position in respect to the federal government in the North. It increased hostility toward Russia on the part of England and France, which strove for loosening its international influence. The Russian government decided to send two ship squadrons to the US to demonstrate support for the northerners, as well as to create a potential threat to marine communications of England and France in order to make them refuse assistance to the South States.

The Russian squadrons set out towards the coast of North America in the second half of 1863. The Atlantic squadron commanded by rear admiral S.S. Lesovskii (frigate "Aleksandr Nevsky", "Peresvet", "Osliabia", corvettes "Variag", "Vitiaz" and clipper "Almaz&quot departed from the Russian port of Kronshtadt and went to New York. Another squadron - Pacific - was commanded by rear admiral A.A. Popov (corvettes "Bogatyr", "Kalevala", "Rynda", "Novik", clippers "Abrek" and "Gaidamak&quot . They went from the ports of the Far East and set out to San Francisco. In September 1863, the squadron of Lesovskii arrived at the port of New York, and the squadron of Popov - to the port of San Francisco. The Russian squadrons stayed in these ports of North America and sailed near its West and East coasts until August 1864. Individual ships of the Atlantic squadron, which were based in New York, visited Baltimore, Annapolis, Hampton, the Caribbean sea, the gulf of Mexico, Cuba, Honduras, Havana, Jamaica, Curasao, Cartagena, Bermuda islands and Aspinwall. The ships of the Pacific Ocean squadron had were based in San Francisco and went for practical sailing to Honolulu, the South hemisphere, Sitka and Vancouver. Russian navy seamen showed high naval
skills, discipline and good organization during these voyages.

The Atlantic squadron returned to Russia late July. The Pacific squadron returned in August 1864. The appearance of the Russian squadrons off the coasts of America caused a great political reaction and forced England and France to change their positions in respect to Russia and the Northern states of America. In 1866, the government of the US sent a ship detachment with special deputation. This detachment officially expressed gratitude to the Russian government for assistance to the northerners in their struggle against slavery.

http://www.feefhs.org/members/blitz/1863-1864.html
 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
6. Wow. I had no idea.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 03:00 PM
Sep 2013

Great story. Seems like Britain and France have quite the history of backing the wrong side.

Hekate

(90,787 posts)
20. Britain and France have been allies of the US for a long, long time. France backed us in 1776
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 06:25 PM
Sep 2013

Don't let details like the Cold War get in the way of a great story, though.

Russia is not our friend. Trading partner, maybe. Friend? never. Putin is KGB to the core.

Hekate

(90,787 posts)
24. And what is Russia? They broke up their Soviet Empire when it became unsustainable...
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 09:52 PM
Sep 2013

.... but before that it was Tsars as emperors.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
5. Why don't they fly to Syria instead and promote a ceasefire?
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 02:54 PM
Sep 2013

The only interest they seem to have there is supplying the Assad tyranny with more weapons.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
7. A meeting with the US was scheduled and postponed
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 03:02 PM
Sep 2013
WASHINGTON The U.S. has put off a meeting that had been scheduled for Wednesday in The Hague between senior diplomats from the United States and Russia as Washington mulls its response to what it says was a chemical weapons attack by the regime of President Bashar Assad, a senior State department official tells CBS News.

...

The meeting was to have taken up plans for an international peace conference aimed at ending Syria's civil war.

...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57600192/source-u.s-postpones-meeting-with-russia-about-syria/
 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
8. Why not take unilateral action? Since Russia is the top supplier of weapons to Syria
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 03:08 PM
Sep 2013

why don't these MPs just vote to cut off the weapons sales unilaterally. After all, if they are seriously interested in peace, that is surely a no-brainer, right?

 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
27. And Obama has had the CIA training the rebels in Turkey and Jordan.
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 11:02 PM
Sep 2013

And American allies Qatar and Saudi Arabia have been supplying the weapons.

It's a covert war that the U.S. has been waging.

The Obama Administration would actually have to desire peace for any peace proposals to have a chance to work.

Celefin

(532 posts)
29. The cold war is over...
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 04:56 AM
Sep 2013

..but we just might be headed towards a new one.
The proxy wars are already back on full display.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
10. Wouldn't that be counter-productive to their goal?
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 03:12 PM
Sep 2013

I mean, do they not even know what kind of Red-baiting, Commie-hating, anti-Russian Xenophobia reigns in Washington D.C.? Their presence would assure a vote for attacking Syria, despite Republican reluctance to agree with anything President Obama wants.

Their staying at home and pretending to urge our Tea Party red-necks, dingbats and wingnuts to support the President would do far more to put a halt to our attack on Assad.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
11. What plans?
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 03:15 PM
Sep 2013

"Russian lawmakers want to travel to Washington to urge the U.S. Congress not to back President Barack Obama's plan for military strikes on Syria"

Sorry to inform them that POTUS has asked for congress to decide!

24601

(3,962 posts)
17. Be glad to talk with you - just as soon as Snowden is back on US soil. But if you want our help and
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 04:45 PM
Sep 2013

he's still in Russia, tell Putin he should start searching for another port.

brooklynite

(94,725 posts)
18. Perhaps they can share tips on how to crack down on Gay Rights...
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 05:59 PM
Sep 2013

...I'm sure some Republicans would be interested.

Celefin

(532 posts)
30. Republicans might just put aside their commie-hatred for a while
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 04:59 AM
Sep 2013

and listen to them precisely because of that.

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