I thought Obama was just a bit more rational than this.

They forgot to read the fine print.

Lots of people forgot to read the fine print.

LOL Too bad our options were so limited.

Now. And register your opinion about Syria. It only takes a few minutes.

Here's a link: http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml

Every opinion counts.

In fact, I think the statements and reasoning issued recently by both the President and John Kerry are embarrassingly weak and ill-founded.

...and call my reps directly. Thanks!

... so all the news cameras can set up for 'shock n awe' and 'armed resistance' that never came.


My heart is broken over what we've become.

We thought iraq might want to get WMD, we hypothesized that he might be acquiring such materiel, and that he planned to use them.

So we completely destroyed the nation of Iraq, top to bottom, killed over a million people, exiled another five million, and left the nation perpetually on the verge of a civil war with a government and constitution mostly authorized by US oil companies.

Message sent.

to expand your mind.

I have 3 post grad degrees, have traveled to, oh 23-24 countries or so- as a 'traveler' and not a tourist, own a business where I am the best in the world at what I do, speak Japanese, and basic Mandarin and Arabic..
That doesn't make me..any smarter than anyone else, well smarter than a teabagger..but.. I think my mind is pretty "expanded." not to say I don't have a lot to learn...

..and I have been pretty much as strong a supporter of Obama as anyone--from the get go. Worked for both elections..
etc etc...
But- I have to say. I just can not watch him speak any longer or even listen on the radio..head to the right, head to the left,, chin up, same delivery, every single sentence. It just sounds...plastic to me.
On the other hand, I find it difficult to listen to almost ANY politician any more

I am totally against this whole Syria thing...When I need to find out what he said, if I choose to, I can find it here. Is that being lazy? I don't feel it is.

OH, why is nobody in the MSM or even the not so Msm asking about the Saudis? My friends in Oman sure as hell are..

I could spout my educational background too, but all the education in the world doesn't mean that you have all the answers to all the problems or all the solutions either.

Did you read what I wrote?
I said.. "That (my education and travels) doesn't make me..any smarter than anyone else, well smarter than a teabagger..but.. I think my mind is pretty "expanded." not to say I don't have a lot to learn... "
But then you say, my education doesn't mean I have all the answers. I never said I did.

I said I can not listen to Obama speak any longer.
I don't know what you are talking about.

Support appreciated.

Sheeesh.

The truth is that an attack against Syria will empower terrorism and threaten our national security.

All people opposed to the proposed war should be prepared to speak up as loudly as possible.

...defense industry PACS, you have until close of business on September 10, 2013 to purchase Congresscritters. All bids submitted after 4:00 PM EST shall be deemed null and void.

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until he's fucking blue in the face but I know I'll never change my mind about this. And I hope reasoning, cooler heads will thwart this warmonger

My disgust with him is grows by the minute... if only he'd fought so hard for a public option

Are you so closed minded that you can not even give someone a chance to explain things? Maybe you don't want to listen because you know he is right and you don't like being wrong.

all made up crap to sell you a used war.

that really have no basis in reality.

War, war and more war. reality.

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Unless he gets up to the podium to tell us that he was wrong and is going to back off his previously expressed position then I know he is going to be dead wrong when he speaks on Tuesday. The only way he could be right is if he completely backs off all the bullshit his administration has been spewing these last couple of weeks, if he echoes the same position he has taken for the last couple of weeks then I will know he is promoting a disasterous policy. Basically the only two possible scenarios are that he takes up an extremely stupid and destructive position of attacking Syria, or he completely flip flops and comes out against bombing Syria. Because that second scenario is highly unlikely I think it is quite fair to predict that his speech is going to promote a horrible and destructive idea that should be condemned by everyone.

Half truths, with lies as conclusions.

The majority of Americans already know they are trying to sell us a shit sandwich, they can try all they want to make that shit sandwich sound tasty but when people already know there is shit between that fresh baked bread they are not going to take a bite. It is very difficult to sell people something they already know they don't want.

And right now I actually do.

It does boggle my mind that he has risked so much of his political influence to push for a war that every poll has shown is a non-starter with the American people.

That makes me wonder who he is actually listening to (Power?).

he would have to do to have the illusions fall from some eyes...

Support wall street? ... oh wait, he's done that.

undermine social security? Yep, done that...

destroy public education? Yep, his henchmen are doing a great job...

he said he wouldn't sign a health care bill that didn't have a public option.

What I'd really like to hear from him is exactly how, and through which proxies, he has been waging his ILLEGAL, COVERT WAR against Syria for the last two years.

That would be great to hear.

And it's why it's a bad idea. Those protected will be protected when it serves other interests or it's painless. If it's a truly massive amount of protection that's needed, or if it's a "good guy" (tm) who needs being protected from, suddenly there'll be no responsibility to do squat except to make excuses.

Very effective cover for regime change plans.

Libya, of course, being the quintessential example.

I am still hoping this will not lead to any strikes.

Jimmy Carter: Syria Strike Illegal Without U.N. Support
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/30/jimmy-carter-syria_n_3844094.html

I realize it's an AOL poll, but those #'s are one sided.

How about listening to the people?

Tepid support? Outright disagreement is more like it.

hear him out. Or are you afraid that he actually makes sense and that he is right to do what he is doing?

how is it moral to allow Assad to continue to slaughter his own people?

We allowed Bush to slaughter thousands of Iraqis. And now when somebody in Syria uses chemical weapons just like we did in both Viet Nam and Iraq suddenly we are going to have an epiphany and stop allowing it? What rank hypocrisy. This is a matter for the international community to deal with and we should not act unilaterally. We are not the world's policeman.

WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.

Budget Sequestration. Remember?

There will be nothing new. Just the sight of a man sinking further into the swamp.

precision......

Explain to me exactly why I should give a fuck about this while ignoring real threats?

I keep thinking - if the mass media spent one tenth of the time on climate change, that they have spent on Syria--
maybe the public would wake up and demand action.

I will TRY to listen if it's broadcast on the radio. I don't do TV. But if past experience is any guide, I'll probably reach outrage saturation pretty early and turn that noise off.

Thats not too early for a drinking game. Keywords: WMDs, Hitler, Saddam, Mushroom Cloud, Terror, national security...have I left any out?

Words we won't be hearing: pipeline, Iran strike, fighting Russia, AIPAC, fighting with al Qaeda, rebel gas attacks, christian/alawite genocide...

In favour of a bad idea.

(or when it an easy victory against outgunned forces).

Here's how recent major wars were portrayed:

WWII self-defense/self-preservation
Korea self-preservation (fear of communism--dominoes)
Vietnam self-preservation (fear of communism-- dominoes)
Iraq I self-preservation (desire for Kuwaiti oil)
Iraq II "self-defense" "self-preservation" (they caused 9/11?? omg, fake WMDs)

Syria is not either (it's a police action) and is getting the expected non-support from the public and in the House.
The Bosnian civil war evoked a similar response of non-support in the 90s.

and not willing to listen to anyone who has a point of view that differs from theirs on this matter. What are you all afraid of? What does it cost you to hear him out? Are you afraid of being wrong?

and not willing to listen to anyone who has a point of view that differs from yours on this matter.
What are you afraid of? What does it cost you to hear us out? Are you afraid of being wrong?

what has been going on in Syria for a couple of years now. Right now, all I read here is that everyone lies, all the facts are wrong and this is war. Well, I don't see it that way, and all the propaganda posts coming from people with an agenda do not convince me that I am wrong. I would rather err on the side of reason and fight for what I think is just, than to follow a bunch of hysterical non rational people.

> and all the propaganda posts coming from people with an agenda do not convince me that I am wrong.
> I would rather err on the side of reason and fight for what I think is just, than to follow a bunch of
> hysterical non rational people.

Good rhetoric. Shame that the logic is 180 degrees out.

(Still, we can't win 'em all ... a point that Obama is probably going to find out for himself one day.)

Maybe he's going to say it waving a flag to the sounds of bombs bursting in air.

Does he really think his speech will be great enough to convince us that another war of choice in the Middle East will be good for America? Is he expecting we'll listen to him and then flood the phone lines to our Senators and Representatives all clamoring for war? Will we get to vote on it or something?

An address to the nation is a nice gesture, but I still don't see why he is bothering. Our collective opinion hasn't seemed to matter that much to him up till now?

I don't listen anymore. Nothing he could say would persuade me. He is a complete fake, a trojan horse. They just aren't getting the people on board so they will keep trying and perhaps do a few false flag events or even fake them on U tube. They have no credibility.
I am so sorry our family did not move to Canada with friends when Bush was "elected" the second time. I have seen this movie before.
And Wisteria, you can keep on collecting your blogging salary from AIPAC. But I am not going to be listening on Tuesday. My brother in law died in Vietnam so we know all about war for lies. Been there and done that.

And no I am not naive with a graduate degree and years abroad, speak 3 languages and having spent 60 some years on the planet and paying close attention to politics.

and earning my post-graduate degree.

I am in the same boat as you.

from my Fraternity and from organizations I was a member of when I lived in the States.

Plus, Arizona universities are not that expensive for in-state residents. Where I got my Master's Degrees, I paid about $3500 a term tuition and fees.

In my day a kid could work their way through college. No silver spoon for me. Dad finished the 5th grade and mom did not finish high
school. But there were opportunities. I talked about my education to show that I had creds to speak about international affairs, not
for snobbery.

By the way, I have visited Syria and the Middle East twice and have friends there still. I urge everyone to keep contacting congress and to not fall for the propaganda that is coming. Obama and Kerry are enthralled and evidently controlled by the Project for the New American Century. Their agenda is when all are dead in the Middle East we can grab all the mineral wealth and Israel will be safe,
they think of people as ants to crush, they are morally disgusting.

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Obama will make his pitch on Tuesday night, Congress will vote no, Obama won't attack. Heads on DU will explode.