Tea Party group to fight Syria resolution
Source: USA Today
A group with strong ties to the Tea Party movement is urging members of Congress to vote against the Syria resolution and plans to keep tabs on lawmakers through its annual scorecard.
"Congress should be focusing on the red ink at home, not arbitrarily established red lines abroad," said Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks. "Congress ignores the will of the voters on this issue at their own peril."
The decision by FreedomWorks to tap its supporters, as a way to put pressure on lawmakers, underscores the political peril for Congress in the Syria vote.
Kibbe made reference to the House's initial defeat in 2008 of the government's financial bailout package as an example of what can happen when people outside of Washington put pressure on Congress. Groups like FreedomWorks to this day still remind voters of which lawmakers supported the bailout.
Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2013/09/06/syria-tea-party-freedomworks-key-vote/2775373/
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)TPMDC
House Progressives Look To Team Up With Tea Party On Syria Vote
DYLAN SCOTT SEPTEMBER 5, 2013, 4:20 PM
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)because the other side never fails to get the bigger benefit...
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and I'd just as soon not sleep on a bed with a bunch of rattlesnakes, even if I'm really tired and the snakes are docile at the moment...
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)No thinking allowed your way. I'd NEVER give up that prerogative.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)(and yes, there are a few with the big 'D' by their name)
When someone who hates and disagrees with you on absolutely everything all of a sudden wants to team up, I'm pretty suspicious...And just because there is at the moment an issue of mutual interest to both parties, don't think that the other side won't find some way to draw some kind of advantage out of it for later use...
I personally wish more Dems were more hardline and less interested in trying to make deals with people who hate them...That's one of the reasons why the GOP as a minority party still continues to drag the nation as a whole farther right while dumbing everything down at the same time...
If you don't believe me, go see for yourself what some unholy alliances in recent years have brought us...
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Decisions can be made purely on the merits of the case, IMO, ignoring the noise you've focused on.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)To those who will do this ...fuck you!
LOL
Myrina
(12,296 posts)We're now "Sarah Palin followers".
tblue
(16,350 posts)I think they can't wrap their brains around that concept. They believe you're with either this pol or that pol, but you must be aligned with somebody, or else they won't know how to categorize you.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)In some situations, all of the choices suck.
frylock
(34,825 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Even they know what a sh!tty move attacking Syria is ...
Say goodbye to your retirement, folks. No money for it. We've got a new War to get on ...
Turborama
(22,109 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)if it was a repuke president those hypocritical bastards would be on board
arewenotdemo
(2,364 posts)The only valid concern at the moment is stopping Obama from making an Earth-shattering mistake.
The kind of mistake that many progressives would never have believed that "the smartest guy in the room" was capable of making.
I am relieved and grateful that most Republicans are, in fact, listening to their constituents and voting accordingly.
And IMO, it's absolutely preposterous to assign them dubious motivations when without them we'd be SCREWED.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)When they are a dubious astroturf group in the 1st place.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:58 PM - Edit history (1)
AUGUST 30, 2013 3:30 PM
The Benefits Outweigh the Costs in Syria
International law permits using force to improve international peace and security.
By John Yoo
John 'Torture Memo' Yoo is Sick of Laws That Limit War
Tuesday, September 3, 2013
Written by Chris Rossini
Neocon John Yoo -- you know, the guy who tortured the English language to pave the way for Bush to continue torturing people -- has had enough of messing around with laws and constitutions:
It is time for the United States to stop hiding behind such obsolete, formalistic views of the laws of war and embrace a pragmatic approach in keeping with long American practice.
Such is the mentality of unlimited power. If the war machine wants something, the war machine gets it! Now is not the time to bring up that parchment paper with the law of the land written on it; especially not after all these years of breaking and ignoring it!
Yoo seeks for the U.S. to not only attack Syria immediately, but to go full force. This is not a time to send a message, but to (once again) replace another government:
Removing the Assad regime, and thus ending the Syrian civil war, would restore regional and global security.
Isnt that a rosey picture? John Yoo, the person who provided legal cover for the most egregious and medieval of then-President Bush's torture practices, has the chutzpah to judge the behavior of a foreign leader? Talk about a man without a moral compass!
The truth is nowhere to be seen though. Syria is surely not a threat to global security. Assad is fighting a civil war against others who want to control the Syrian state. Hes not looking to become the next Genghis Khan.
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The Neocon track record is horrendous. Can they point to even one single success? For Obama and Congress to follow them into yet another disaster in Syria would indicate that the American government has completely lost its moral, rational, and economic sense.
Link below from http://www.firejohnyoo.net
Read the Report
After years of disclosures by government investigations, media accounts, and reports from human rights organizations, there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes. The only question is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account.
Maj. General Antonio M. Taguba (USA-Ret.), preface to Broken Laws, Broken Lives
In PHRs new report, Broken Laws, Broken Lives, we have for the first time medical evidence to confirm first-hand accounts of men who endured torture by US personnel in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantánamo Bay. These men were never charged with any crime.
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socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)Obama holding on to neo-liberal principles is bad enough (but not unexpected considering his actions over the last 6 years or so), but now he's aligning with the neo-conservatives on foreign policy. And that's PLENTY disturbing to me.
Obama said his policies were 80s style "moderate Republican" a couple of years ago. With his supporters on THIS issue, he's turned from "moderate Republican" to full blown 80s "Reagan Republican".
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)These people, when they mention the will of the voters, what they always mean is: "I want things my way no matter what anyone else thinks."
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Progressives, Tea Party United to Oppose Syria War
Posted By Jason Ditz On September 5, 2013 @ 5:58 pm In News |
Congressional war votes are usually secured by support from both parties leadership and their ability to coax the rank-and-file to go along with them. This time, that seems set to fail, as the leadership has jumped on the war bandwagon but failed to get much of anything in the way of support.
Its not coincidental that the failure of the war rhetoric is happening in both parties, but rather reflects a growing unity among Progressive Democrats and the Tea Party Republicans, each of which is more than willing to stand up to the partys leadership, and stand with an American public that polls show is also opposed to war.
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The Tea Party has been at least as successful in the House, if not moreso, and is also fueling opposition to the war in the Senate, usually more sensitive to the demands of party leadership and less to the American voters.
They even managed to convince Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R KY) away from supporting the war, warning him that he could face a dangerous primary battle in 2014 if he supports the war against the publics wishes.
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Monk06
(7,675 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)"Politics makes strange bedfellows" means.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Petraeus calls on Congress to back White House on Syria
By MIKE ALLEN and JENNIFER EPSTEIN | 9/7/13 3:52 PM EDT Updated: 9/7/13 6:22 PM EDT
Retired Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, former CIA director under President Barack Obama, called strongly Saturday for Congress to back the White House on Syria, declaring that military action against the regime is necessary to deter Iran, North Korea and other would-be aggressors.
Failure of Congress to approve the presidents request would have serious ramifications not just in the Mideast but around the world, Petraeus said in a four-sentence statement provided to POLITICO.
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