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Turborama

(22,109 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 11:47 AM Sep 2013

Tea Party group to fight Syria resolution

Source: USA Today

A group with strong ties to the Tea Party movement is urging members of Congress to vote against the Syria resolution and plans to keep tabs on lawmakers through its annual scorecard.

"Congress should be focusing on the red ink at home, not arbitrarily established red lines abroad," said Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks. "Congress ignores the will of the voters on this issue at their own peril."

The decision by FreedomWorks to tap its supporters, as a way to put pressure on lawmakers, underscores the political peril for Congress in the Syria vote.

Kibbe made reference to the House's initial defeat in 2008 of the government's financial bailout package as an example of what can happen when people outside of Washington put pressure on Congress. Groups like FreedomWorks to this day still remind voters of which lawmakers supported the bailout.


Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2013/09/06/syria-tea-party-freedomworks-key-vote/2775373/

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Tea Party group to fight Syria resolution (Original Post) Turborama Sep 2013 OP
TPMDC: House Progressives Look To Team Up With Tea Party On Syria Vote proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #1
I always hate these "unholy alliances" Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #6
I'm issue oriented, you're identity oriented. nt proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #10
I'm reality oriented... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #13
That's your choice but, frankly, I can name a number of (D)'s I'd regard as "rattlesnakes." proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #14
I just like keeping in mind who my enemies are Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #17
You're setting yourself up for reverse psychology if you don't ignore the positions of yr "enemies." proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #19
I can read the DU framing now ...if you are against attacking Assad you are with the tea party. L0oniX Sep 2013 #2
+1 eom Purveyor Sep 2013 #3
WOW Iliyah Sep 2013 #4
I've seen it in GD already ... Myrina Sep 2013 #8
They don't realize we follow no one. tblue Sep 2013 #18
I still HATE them heaven05 Sep 2013 #5
Me too. shenmue Sep 2013 #7
I stand with this group on this issue. frylock Sep 2013 #9
Stopped clock on the Nutters. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #11
Just a hunch, but I don't think their motives are pure n/t Turborama Sep 2013 #12
no Skittles Sep 2013 #22
Party loyalty blinds....either way. arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #23
It is not "preposterous to assign them with dubious motivations" Turborama Sep 2013 #25
John Yoo is aligning with the administration. Your "dubious motivations" argument may be applied? proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #26
See this is one of the MOST disturbing things to me............ socialist_n_TN Sep 2013 #27
The will of the voters? What voters have voted on the Syria resolution? Kablooie Sep 2013 #15
Obama is counting on them to help the Congress vote "NO". Believe me. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2013 #16
Very possibly, hold that thought. nt proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #20
Progressives, Tea Party United to Oppose Syria War proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #21
Hey Teabaggers, it ain't about you anymore. It's about everyone. Monk06 Sep 2013 #24
That's what the phrase.... socialist_n_TN Sep 2013 #28
Petraeus calls on Congress to back White House on Syria proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #29
I fucking hate that the administration is making myself and the tea party agree on anything. n/t Marrah_G Sep 2013 #30

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
1. TPMDC: House Progressives Look To Team Up With Tea Party On Syria Vote
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 11:53 AM
Sep 2013
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/09/obama-is-losing-progressives-on-syria.php

TPMDC

House Progressives Look To Team Up With Tea Party On Syria Vote

DYLAN SCOTT SEPTEMBER 5, 2013, 4:20 PM

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
13. I'm reality oriented...
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 02:48 PM
Sep 2013

and I'd just as soon not sleep on a bed with a bunch of rattlesnakes, even if I'm really tired and the snakes are docile at the moment...

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
14. That's your choice but, frankly, I can name a number of (D)'s I'd regard as "rattlesnakes."
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:42 PM
Sep 2013

No thinking allowed your way. I'd NEVER give up that prerogative.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
17. I just like keeping in mind who my enemies are
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:30 PM
Sep 2013

(and yes, there are a few with the big 'D' by their name)

When someone who hates and disagrees with you on absolutely everything all of a sudden wants to team up, I'm pretty suspicious...And just because there is at the moment an issue of mutual interest to both parties, don't think that the other side won't find some way to draw some kind of advantage out of it for later use...

I personally wish more Dems were more hardline and less interested in trying to make deals with people who hate them...That's one of the reasons why the GOP as a minority party still continues to drag the nation as a whole farther right while dumbing everything down at the same time...

If you don't believe me, go see for yourself what some unholy alliances in recent years have brought us...

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
19. You're setting yourself up for reverse psychology if you don't ignore the positions of yr "enemies."
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 06:02 PM
Sep 2013

Decisions can be made purely on the merits of the case, IMO, ignoring the noise you've focused on.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
2. I can read the DU framing now ...if you are against attacking Assad you are with the tea party.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 11:55 AM
Sep 2013

To those who will do this ...fuck you!

tblue

(16,350 posts)
18. They don't realize we follow no one.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 05:36 PM
Sep 2013

I think they can't wrap their brains around that concept. They believe you're with either this pol or that pol, but you must be aligned with somebody, or else they won't know how to categorize you.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
11. Stopped clock on the Nutters.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 02:31 PM
Sep 2013

Even they know what a sh!tty move attacking Syria is ...

Say goodbye to your retirement, folks. No money for it. We've got a new War to get on ...

 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
23. Party loyalty blinds....either way.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:33 AM
Sep 2013

The only valid concern at the moment is stopping Obama from making an Earth-shattering mistake.

The kind of mistake that many progressives would never have believed that "the smartest guy in the room" was capable of making.

I am relieved and grateful that most Republicans are, in fact, listening to their constituents and voting accordingly.

And IMO, it's absolutely preposterous to assign them dubious motivations when without them we'd be SCREWED.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
25. It is not "preposterous to assign them with dubious motivations"
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 02:16 AM
Sep 2013

When they are a dubious astroturf group in the 1st place.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
26. John Yoo is aligning with the administration. Your "dubious motivations" argument may be applied?
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 10:10 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:58 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/357277/benefits-outweigh-costs-syria-john-yoo

AUGUST 30, 2013 3:30 PM

The Benefits Outweigh the Costs in Syria
International law permits using force to improve international peace and security.
By John Yoo


http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/2013/september/03/john-torture-memo-yoo-is-sick-of-laws-that-limit-war.aspx

John 'Torture Memo' Yoo is Sick of Laws That Limit War
Tuesday, September 3, 2013
Written by Chris Rossini

Neocon John Yoo -- you know, the guy who tortured the English language to pave the way for Bush to continue torturing people -- has had enough of messing around with laws and constitutions:

It is time for the United States to stop hiding behind such obsolete, formalistic views of the laws of war and embrace a pragmatic approach in keeping with long American practice.

Such is the mentality of unlimited power. If the war machine wants something, the war machine gets it! Now is not the time to bring up that parchment paper with the law of the land written on it; especially not after all these years of breaking and ignoring it!

Yoo seeks for the U.S. to not only attack Syria immediately, but to go full force. This is not a time to send a message, but to (once again) replace another government:

Removing the Assad regime, and thus ending the Syrian civil war, would restore regional and global security.

Isn’t that a rosey picture? John Yoo, the person who provided legal cover for the most egregious and medieval of then-President Bush's torture practices, has the chutzpah to judge the behavior of a foreign leader? Talk about a man without a moral compass!

The truth is nowhere to be seen though. Syria is surely not a threat to “global security”. Assad is fighting a civil war against others who want to control the Syrian state. He’s not looking to become the next Genghis Khan.

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The Neocon track record is horrendous. Can they point to even one single success? For Obama and Congress to follow them into yet another disaster in Syria would indicate that the American government has completely lost its moral, rational, and economic sense.


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socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
27. See this is one of the MOST disturbing things to me............
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 06:31 PM
Sep 2013

Obama holding on to neo-liberal principles is bad enough (but not unexpected considering his actions over the last 6 years or so), but now he's aligning with the neo-conservatives on foreign policy. And that's PLENTY disturbing to me.

Obama said his policies were 80s style "moderate Republican" a couple of years ago. With his supporters on THIS issue, he's turned from "moderate Republican" to full blown 80s "Reagan Republican".

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
15. The will of the voters? What voters have voted on the Syria resolution?
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 04:48 PM
Sep 2013

These people, when they mention the will of the voters, what they always mean is: "I want things my way no matter what anyone else thinks."

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
21. Progressives, Tea Party United to Oppose Syria War
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 07:21 PM
Sep 2013
http://news.antiwar.com/2013/09/05/progressives-tea-party-united-to-oppose-syria-war/print/

Progressives, Tea Party United to Oppose Syria War
Posted By Jason Ditz On September 5, 2013 @ 5:58 pm In News |


Congressional war votes are usually secured by support from both parties’ leadership and their ability to coax the rank-and-file to go along with them. This time, that seems set to fail, as the leadership has jumped on the war bandwagon but failed to get much of anything in the way of support.

It’s not coincidental that the failure of the war rhetoric is happening in both parties, but rather reflects a growing unity among Progressive Democrats and the Tea Party Republicans, each of which is more than willing to stand up to the party’s leadership, and stand with an American public that polls show is also opposed to war.

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The Tea Party has been at least as successful in the House, if not moreso, and is also fueling opposition to the war in the Senate, usually more sensitive to the demands of party leadership and less to the American voters.

They even managed to convince Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R – KY) away from supporting the war, warning him that he could face a dangerous primary battle in 2014 if he supports the war against the public’s wishes.

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proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
29. Petraeus calls on Congress to back White House on Syria
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 06:43 PM
Sep 2013
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/petraeus-calls-on-congress-to-back-white-house-on-syria-96413.html#ixzz2eLQwR09k

Petraeus calls on Congress to back White House on Syria
By MIKE ALLEN and JENNIFER EPSTEIN | 9/7/13 3:52 PM EDT Updated: 9/7/13 6:22 PM EDT


Retired Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, former CIA director under President Barack Obama, called strongly Saturday for Congress to back the White House on Syria, declaring that military action against the regime is “necessary” to deter “Iran, North Korea and other would-be aggressors.”

“Failure of Congress to approve the president’s request would have serious ramifications not just in the Mideast but around the world,” Petraeus said in a four-sentence statement provided to POLITICO.

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