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mikeytherat

(6,829 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 05:42 PM Feb 2012

'Personhood' bill dies in Virginia Senate

http://www.nbc12.com/story/17004134/personhood-bill-dies-in-senate

RICHMOND, VA (WWBT) - In a surprise vote the Virginia Senate has decided to refer the Personhood bill back to a Senate committee, which effectively kills the bill from consideration this year.

The Senate voted 24-14 against the controversial measure, which was widely criticized by pro-choice groups, thereby saving Gov. Bob McDonnell from having to make a difficult decision on the politically charged matter.

The Personhood bill would have defined life as starting at conception. The decision means the bill cannot be considered again until 2013.

Another controversial bill, requiring ultrasounds prior to abortions, was delayed. It could be voted upon as soon as Friday. That bill has also drawn scorn from women's groups, despite compromise measures proposed by Gov. McDonnell.

mikey_the_rat
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'Personhood' bill dies in Virginia Senate (Original Post) mikeytherat Feb 2012 OP
Good! sinkingfeeling Feb 2012 #1
When you shine a light on cockroaches... mikeytherat Feb 2012 #2
How about "Don't ever consider those rediculous issues ever again". Matter settled. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2012 #3
They just let the bill DIE??? Guess they're not "pro-life" after all. VWolf Feb 2012 #4
Those baby killers! sofa king Feb 2012 #6
They let the bill die because it was no longer a fetus. It was already born. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #18
CUE THE VONAGE THEME! rocktivity Feb 2012 #5
I'm so proud of my adopted state lanlady Feb 2012 #7
They were probably told to stop and your idiot gov wants to be king roguevalley Feb 2012 #8
This will bury it until McDonnell montanacowboy Feb 2012 #9
Sick pricks. aquart Feb 2012 #10
Good news! Quantess Feb 2012 #11
Two things probably at work 1. internal polling 2. Repubs saying-STOP DOING ANYTHING underpants Feb 2012 #12
3. the VA Governor is a possible 2012 VP pick rocktivity Feb 2012 #14
the VA Governor is a possible 2012 VP pick AlbertCat Feb 2012 #15
Excellent alcibiades_mystery Feb 2012 #13
When life starts is a belief issue.. teewrex Feb 2012 #16
keep up the activism, Virginia progressives. alp227 Feb 2012 #17
I e-mailed the governor's office and e-mailed "my" delegate phylny Feb 2012 #23
If life started at the moment of conception.... Devil_Fish Feb 2012 #19
I keep saying that if these laws start to be passed, phylny Feb 2012 #24
Damn good idea!!!! dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #26
Heck, you could take out a life insurance policy every time you fuck. Devil_Fish Feb 2012 #27
This issue has me so upset. AngryOldDem Feb 2012 #20
I agree Stargazer09 Feb 2012 #25
They moved too soon so now they put it back in the closet for a while lunatica Feb 2012 #21
I am so sick of this R/W, diversionary B.S. dotymed Feb 2012 #22

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
18. They let the bill die because it was no longer a fetus. It was already born.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:39 PM
Feb 2012

It's ok if the baby bill has emerged from the birth canal.

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
5. CUE THE VONAGE THEME!
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:05 PM
Feb 2012

We still have to nail them on the ultrasound requirement for abortion, though -- the transvaginal part has been removed, but we're not out of the woods yet!


rocktivity

lanlady

(7,135 posts)
7. I'm so proud of my adopted state
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:23 PM
Feb 2012

My word, the Virginia GOP got hold of its senses. Maybe Pat Robertson will end up quitting this state in protest and never come back...

montanacowboy

(6,098 posts)
9. This will bury it until McDonnell
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:33 PM
Feb 2012

can get a VP nod.

This is by no means over with, just shelved for the time being.

underpants

(182,863 posts)
12. Two things probably at work 1. internal polling 2. Repubs saying-STOP DOING ANYTHING
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 07:53 PM
Feb 2012

Repubs count on abortion to be an issue that, obviously, will never be ended. It keeps their followers fired up, money keeps coming in, and provides them with the false image of being the Party of GOD.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
13. Excellent
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 08:04 PM
Feb 2012

They tried to sneak this by in a swing state, and got slapped down hard.

A major victory for pro-choice groups, women's groups, and all people in the Commonwealth.

Great news!

teewrex

(96 posts)
16. When life starts is a belief issue..
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:10 PM
Feb 2012

so some believe that life starts at conception, some believe that life starts with the first breath. Therefore, if you make abortion illegal and I believe that life starts with the first breath then you are denying me my freedom of religion rights. I would love to find some lawyer that would be willing to take on the issue of having an abortion as a freedom of religion issue.

alp227

(32,047 posts)
17. keep up the activism, Virginia progressives.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:18 PM
Feb 2012

please please please campaign to de-elect anyone who sponsored/supported this pathetic bill. look to Wisconsin for inspiration.

phylny

(8,383 posts)
23. I e-mailed the governor's office and e-mailed "my" delegate
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 09:50 AM
Feb 2012

to protest this and the vaginal probe-asound bill. Let's hope we're making a difference.

 

Devil_Fish

(1,664 posts)
19. If life started at the moment of conception....
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:44 PM
Feb 2012

I would be owed the Child Tax credit for 2008, as my daughter was concieved in december of that year. conversley, what if there was a misscarrage? I would still get the tax credit for 2008 and 2009 right? after all, she was a person for a few months...

These idiots don't know the can of worms they are trying to open.

phylny

(8,383 posts)
24. I keep saying that if these laws start to be passed,
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 09:54 AM
Feb 2012

pregnant women should FLOCK to insurance offices and demand a life insurance policy for their "person." Then, when they're denied, they should complain to the state insurance commission and the Attorney General. Why, in my state, it's Ken Cuccinelli - he'd eat his underwear trying to figure out how to side with insurance companies, since he's anti-choice himself.

If I had done that with the two pregnancies/three persons I miscarried, I could have paid for the education of my three REAL persons with the insurance money. Unfortunately, I'm past the point of being able to participate in the mad rush to insure the unborn.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
26. Damn good idea!!!!
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:32 PM
Feb 2012

File that on the back burner, in case we are ever unfortunate enough to need it.

 

Devil_Fish

(1,664 posts)
27. Heck, you could take out a life insurance policy every time you fuck.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:31 PM
Feb 2012

And it won't matter if you are never positive, because for all you know, the egg got fertalized, but never managed to attach in the uterous. What a tragity, That will be $1M please. See you next month.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
20. This issue has me so upset.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:59 AM
Feb 2012

Mainly because I can see the numbnut legislators in my state (Indiana) trying to pull this same kind of sick shit at some point during one of their legislative sessions.

I am especially sickened at the thought of the transvaginal ultrasounds before a woman can exercise her right to an abortion. I have undergone that heinous procedure twice in my life, and "medical rape" is a polite term for what it is, even when there is a legitimate reason for doing it. This is nothing more than punitive and sadistic retribution made legal. Depending on the circumstance, I don't think "torture" is too strong a word for this.

Last night while driving home, I was listening to NPR, who interviewed some right-to-lifer (a woman) who said that if a woman saw the fetus during this procedure she might change her mindand heart about having an abortion. I nearly went off the road. Oh really? Tell me -- how open to **anything** would THIS right-to-lifer be if she has a dildo shoved up her vagina to her cervix, which the technician would then guide like a plumber's snake as it it bumps up against every vital part of the female anatomy? (Oh, and the woman will also have to insert and then hold the dildo herself until it's correctly in position, which makes it kind of like SELF-rape.)

Those who think this procedure will be an effective strategy in the abortion debate have no idea what the hell they're talking about, and a part of me has to wonder if they don't want to again drive abortions underground, where women will die.

Pro-lifers make me sick. They seem to think that women undergo abortions on a whim and a lark, with no thought behind it, only selfishness, so they must be punished. I only hope that pushing this kind of legislation backfires in their faces big time, and discredits and cripples their movement for decades to come.




Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
25. I agree
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:31 PM
Feb 2012

They only care about the so-called baby; they completely ignore the fact that there's a woman involved, too.

I'm tired of being treated like my humanity ends right after an egg gets fertilized. My life no longer matters to these people. One told me that if a pregnancy is going to kill the mother, then so be it. No abortions ever, no matter what. Excuse me? You're willing to sentence a woman to death for your screwed-up moral values???

Those people make me so incredibly angry.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
21. They moved too soon so now they put it back in the closet for a while
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:57 AM
Feb 2012

They'll try sneaking it out when they think women aren't looking.

Problem is, we've been alerted and we're smarter than they are.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
22. I am so sick of this R/W, diversionary B.S.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 09:01 AM
Feb 2012

Lets be real. This country is run by the elite. They make their own rules. They do not care about any of this christian taliban crap. Well, they care about it in so far as it diverts the attention away from them (THE REAL PROBLEM).
Please anyone, if you are an ex-pat in a place where it is stable and cheap, le me know. I want out. Our citizenry is too ignorant, greedy,lazy or a combination of all to bring real change to America. Look at Iran. A technologically advanced country, run by a theocratic, insane dictatorship. The majority of citizens want change, but until THEY do it, it will never happen.
Does that sound familiar?
I do not have many years left. I would like to enjoy those in relative sanity and freedom. I want out.

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