Aaron Alexis 34 identified as shooter at Navy Yard
Last edited Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:05 PM - Edit history (1)
Source: Breaking on MSNBC
MSNBC reporting now.
From Ft. Worth Texas. http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/16/breaking-shooter-opens-fire-at-washington-navy-yard/
http://www.nbcnews.com/
Turns out I was right about the mugshot, it has been confirmed now for those who want to get a look at the individual.
Edited to add better link
Read more: Link to source
Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)
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Tommy_Carcetti
(43,188 posts)Not to mention his age does not match.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)On what do you base that being an uncommon name/race combo?
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I asked what you based that assessment on.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)How many 34 black men from ft worth Texas who are named that exact name,
do you find when you do a search?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)man oh man have people gotten it wrong before...
I'd rather just hold off until they know the inns and outs for sure.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Own mugshots, etc.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)one of the major news sources would be posting it.
So far, silence...
dballance
(5,756 posts)Your assessment that the age/name/location are a very likely match is good, IMHO.
But as has been pointed out in other replies none of the major news sources have displayed that pic. Perhaps they are all gun shy after almost starting some horrible vigilante acts following posting the wrong images of innocent people after the Boston Marathon attacks.
Your willingness to "back off" for the moment speaks well of you. You may well end up being correct in the end but it's really nice to see people on DU can be flexible and take advice from others on DU without being nasty about it.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Lasher
(27,622 posts)I don't think she should have been pressured to delete the link to the mugshot. This was not the same as the Boston Marathon or Duke Lacrosse cases. Her evidence was compelling from the start.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Lasher
(27,622 posts)Here is a reasonable facsimile:
Information:
Name: Aaron Alexis
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Age: 31 years
Processing Date: 09-04-2010
Alleged Violation:
PC 42.12(B) MA DISCHARGE FIREARM CE
http://www.bustedmugshots.com/texas/fort-worth/aaron-alexis/45611151
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,188 posts)Remember when people jumped the gun (pardon the pun) and identified Adam Lanza's brother Ryan as the Sandy Hook shooter?
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)They are confirming his identity with fingerprints though so I think it's pretty certain now Aaron Alexis was the gunman.
They are trying to figure out why he had someone else's badge.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,188 posts)...is the guy.
Who knows, maybe it is.
But until we know, do us a favor and stop speculating.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)rivertext
(182 posts)Thanks for pointing out the inappropriateness of that post.
The web site linked to I think ought to boycotted. They take public domain records of mugshots of all arrest bookings and then charge a $149 "administrative fee" to remove them for those able to pay.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,188 posts)They claim First Amendment and sunshine law protection in what they do, but I'm not convinced they apply in that situation.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)31 years old vs 34
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Lasher
(27,622 posts)Mugshot was taken 3 years ago.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He was a civilian contractor, new hire, apparently....
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Got caught, wanted revenge.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...I'm saying someone else could have caught it and told him that they were going to report it, resulting in that response.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)When he deliberately armed himself and went in fully intending to do harm.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Sorry for my speculation then, it sounded like he was working there under a false ID.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Is a link in print, may not be as up to date as breaking news on TV.
http://www.nbcnews.com/
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)But thanks.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They do have to go through a National Agency Check, at a minimum.
Was this guy a choir boy who snapped, is this his first offense, or is something else going on, I wonder?
I realize he got the access control card from someone else who was "disciplined" or "demoted" or "lost clearance" or may have even been fired, but they didn't clear his ID from the system.
Sounds like that's something they'll have to do at COB every day from here on out...
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)"People here just love to hate, is what is happening."
Fixed it fer ya.
Granted, it is speculation that this is the same guy, but the circumstantial evidence is spot on. I did a search, as well, and only came up with two possible matches. This guy and a possible FB, but there was no age listed.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)I mean I did post the latest breaking news about the name and age of shooter.
Lasher
(27,622 posts)I doubt if the majority of us would think you have acted improperly.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Lasher
(27,622 posts)Keep at it.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #60)
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LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)And nothing I can do will convince you otherwise, so I will just block you and be done with you I think.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,188 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Hate to hurt anyone else's feelings, but its true. Go back and look at the other stories like this.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)It's been a while since we talked on the board and I hope you're doing good.
Don't let folks get you down. You did nothing wrong here.
And remember, Ignore is your friend!
I have friends who work in a naval shipyard on the west coast but there is no local news. Said they might not want people to panic or anything.
And said that, amazingly enough, employees were allowed to bring hand guns onto the job site!
So I called them and told them what I'd heard and they appreciated it. Most of us at DU are grateful to have people take the time to post. Others, meh.
See you later.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Lasher
(27,622 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Lasher
(27,622 posts)And now I hope you are receptive to some unsolicited advice. You did the right thing, posting a LBN OP when you saw this story break on MSNBC. Of course, you could not furnish a link to an article because there was none. In such cases we are to update later to furnish a link and that's just what you have done.
Now, for posterity's sake, I wish you would edit your OP once more. You have already updated to furnish the NBC News home page at http://www.nbcnews.com/ That's a good step, but I'd like to suggest a better link:
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/16/breaking-shooter-opens-fire-at-washington-navy-yard/
As I said this is for posterity's sake. This event will soon be gone from a news organization's home page. So if I come back to this OP later, I want your link to continue to lead to an article that most closely represents what you first saw on TV.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)crim son
(27,464 posts)Thank you for posting and thank you for doing the research. You've done nothing improper.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)crim son
(27,464 posts)maryellen99
(3,789 posts)Plus with the way racial tensions are it's going to make the Trayvon Martin look like Disneyland
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,188 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Have described him as a black male dressed all in black numerous times. Since they have now fingerprinted the dead gunman I am assuming they have the race right.
Anything else you would like to harass me about since I'm here all day?
In case you wonder why I care so much to be watching the news for several hours...my husband works in the general area and is on lockdown.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and the mugshot does show a bald guy...
onenote
(42,724 posts)It has been reported for hours that the shooter (not one of the two "potential" shooters, but the shooter) was a black male dressed in dark clothing. Here is a story you may have missed from several hours ago. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57603064-504083/navy-yard-shooting-as-many-as-10-shot-at-washington-navy-yard-officials-say/
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,188 posts)And for a while they also thought there was a white male shooter on the loose, but then they retracted that.
Nothing yet as to the race of the apparent deceased shooter, who--if these reports are accurate--was 34.
All these breaking news events are rampant with rumors and speculation, some of which turns out to the true in the end, other turns out not to be remotely the case.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Identified now as black. They have fingerprinted him you know. Are you just out to harass me? Because it sure seems that way to me.
onenote
(42,724 posts)At the time it was reported earlier today the reports were that there was a black male shooter and two other "potential" shooters, one white and one black.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I didn't get the sense this guy's aim was very good -- one woman interviewed said he was shooting into a crowd of people who were headed for the stairs. He may have had one or two victims in mind and then was just shooting for pure evil sport...?
Hard to know...
iandhr
(6,852 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I checked MSNBC online and there is no Aaron Alexis mentioned.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Breaking news on NBC news
http://www.nbcnews.com/
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)IADEMO2004
(5,556 posts)You got it.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Now they're looking for a black male wearing olive/military outfit
MADem
(135,425 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)... now it's "olive/military" ?
Also saw a Tweet from Chuck Toad that they had to pull their description because what they reported was found on a random ID card at the scene, not the actual person seen shooting.
gopiscrap
(23,762 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)gopiscrap
(23,762 posts)that they didn't know for certain
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)We need public financing of federal elections so players like the NRA are taken out of the picture on elections and laws can get passed on the merits. There is a correlation between the quantity of guns and number of shootings as one would expect. Clearly, these mass shootings are on the increase and will continue to increase until something gets done about this. And Citizens United is not a player in just events like today. It is a major player in the total dysfunction in Congress where dirty money has bought us the Congress we have today.
I also have to wonder about whether people are being planted to disrupt government operations. We know that Snowden was a recent plant as a contractor to mine NSA and leak our security secrets. Now we have another recent hire contractor so it begs the question. It clearly doesn't look like someone going postal.
Skittles
(153,170 posts)another day in America
tabasco
(22,974 posts)The dead peoples' right to life was less important than a kook's right to have a gun
Socal31
(2,484 posts)Despite what movies tell us, domestic military bases are not the hardest of targets as far as armed personnel.
Lasher
(27,622 posts)He used a pistol that he got from a police officer he had shot at the scene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard_shooting
Socal31
(2,484 posts)Lasher
(27,622 posts)http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/17/us/shooting-reported-at-washington-navy-yard.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
There is still some conflicting information, as is often the case after an event like this one. Now this from the LA Times:
Investigators have confirmed that Alexis bought the shotgun at a gun store in Lorton, Va. On Monday, some officials had said they thought he might have seized one or more of the weapons from a security guard he shot at the base.
<snip>
For the Record, 8:13 a.m. PDT Sept. 17: An earlier version of this post stated that all three of the weapons found near the body of Aaron Alexis were obtained legally. Thus far, it has only been determined that a shotgun found near the body of the Washington Navy Yard gunman had been obtained legally.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-washington-shooter-aaron-alexis-navy-20130917,0,2065857.story
Now get this, just published by CNN:
What we know: Federal law enforcement sources say authorities have recovered three weapons from the scene of the mass shooting, including one -- a shotgun -- that investigators believe he brought in to the compound. The other two weapons -- handguns -- the sources say, may have been taken from guards.
What we don't know: The sources, who have detailed knowledge of the investigation, cautioned that initial investigation information that an AR-15 rifle was used may have been incorrect. It is believed that Alexis had rented an AR-15, but returned it before Monday morning's shootings. Authorities are still investigating precisely how many weapons Alexis had access to and when.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/17/us/navy-yard-shooting-knowns-unknowns/
And now, taken together with the FBI information you cited, it is starting to look like he brought along a legally obtained shotgun, then used one or more pistols taken from security personnel at the scene. But this is merely rampant speculation on my part.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)I lived on domestic military posts for about 15 years and overseas bases another five years.
Not sure how that was relevant to my post, however.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)But I do apologize for jumping the gun and won't do that again.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Guaguacoa
(271 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 16, 2013, 09:31 PM - Edit history (2)
The dead gunman in Mondays shooting at the Washington Navy Yard is Aaron Alexis, 34, a Navy veteran who was discharged after he was arrested in a shooting incidentbut was later hired by a government subcontractor.
Alexis, a native of New York City, worked for a company called The Experts, a subcontractor to Hewlett Packard on a federal contract to work on the Navy Marine Corps Intranet network, according to a statement from Hewlett Packard. It was unclear if Alexis was still employed by that subcontractor, or if his work took him to the Navy Yard.
By Monday afternoon, a portrait of Alexis had begun to emerge. He lived until recently in Fort Worth, where he was seen frequently at a Buddhist temple, meditating and helping out. He was pursuing a bachelors of science degree in aeronautics as an online student at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University.
In 2004 in Seattle, Alexis allegedly used a Glock pistol to shoot out the tires of a car belonging to a construction worker. Alexis said that he had experienced a black-out fueled by anger and that he did not remember pulling the trigger until an hour later. No one was injured. Police said that Alexis told them he believed the worker had mocked him earlier that day.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/aaron-alexis-34-is-dead-gunman-in-navy-yard-shooting-authorities-say/2013/09/16/dcf431ce-1f07-11e3-8459-657e0c72fec8_print.html
Much more at link, looks like he was an accident waiting to happen.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Guaguacoa
(271 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)You're violating copyright. Thanks.
Guaguacoa
(271 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Welcome to DU!
Guaguacoa
(271 posts)WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)MrChaoticAttractor
(9 posts)http://ca.news.yahoo.com/suspected-u-shooter-had-secret-clearance-employer-says-010927653.html
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)And yes, you need secret clearance at least to work for them. I am shocked that he has that clearance after his run ins with the police, especially involving guns.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)The guy was an IT contractor....for the same company, doing the same job as my son. My son is scheduled to be there next monday. Holy shit.......I am shaking. I feel so badly for the families, but at the same time I am so damn happy he wasnt there.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I'm much better this morning. Last night I was freaking out.