I don't think so. Not even close.

a gallon of fuel from it. And they won't.

The Koches own the Texas refinery expected to send it through and shipped to China. All Canadian oil for China, not us. And they don't want to take NO for an answer. As Harper said, this isn't over.

This is why 2014 matters so much, to set the ground for 2016. They put Romney on the ballot in 2012 to be Grover Nordquist's Robosigner-in-Chief:

All we have to do is replace Obama... We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget...

We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.

Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team,to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.

~ Grover Nordquist

This agreement, in which they may or may not have the WTO or other trade agreements on their side, would make a mockery of our sovereignty, which is in tatters from neo-feudalists.

The Koches fund the Teas, Freedomworks, Libertarians, the John Birch Society and its recent patriot incarnations. They are anti-American no matter how many flags they wave around.

Gotta go. Good catch.

to clean up the messes.

... for the love of God! Celsius! Neil Young!"

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/5719533/farm-aid-2013-pete-seeger-sings-out-neil-young-speaks-up-and-jack-johnson-cows

September 23, 2013

After a solo round on his banjo for "If I Had A Hammer" -- with thousands of backup singers -- Seeger welcomed Farm Aid's guiding foursome: Nelson, Mellencamp, Neil Young and Dave Matthews for "This Land Is Your Land."

Seeger's compatriots smiled with glee as they shared the stage with the aging but energetic singer, who declared, "I've got a verse you've never heard before."

"New York is my home
New York is your home
From the upstate mountains
Down to the ocean foam
With all kinds of people
Yes, we're polychrome
New York was meant to be frack free!" ...

"The farmers are on the front lines of climate change, and climate change is THE issue of the 21st century," said Young at a press conference which opened the day-long event. "It's a bigger way of looking at what we're all doing here. It's about getting the carbon out of the sky and back into the earth."


http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/VoteUp/2013/09/24/dave-matthews-neil-young-pete-seeger-knock-fracking-at-farm-aid/2862783/

Matthews, who has made near-annual trips to SPAC with his band since the 1990s, was the first to broach the topic, acknowledging farmers who held anti-fracking signs in the front of the audience during a panel discussion that kicked off the event.

“Don’t frack New York. Don’t frack our farmlands,” Matthews said to applause. "And if you really need to frack something, why don’t you go frack yourself?”

At one point on stage, Young wore an orange t-shirt underneath his trademark red flannel. It had a clear message: “Keep calm and ban fracking.”

Maybe he's right.

Close the borders? Fat chance...

then it'll by YES from a H R Clinton or whatever GOP crew.
I do hate it, but I tend to agree that it's a no-brainer. I don't see any real popular opposition to big $$ anywhere except in small unstructured pockets in North America. We like our Big Macs, but we don't like thinking too much. To say nothing of doing a damn thing.
Harper is also speaking as a corporatist who earned his political credentials in Alberta where US ("western based" transnational) oil money rules, so he's speaking more as a voice for big oil than for Canada. He's very confident, but that's because big oil is very confident and one thing about Harper, he's *very* attuned to his masters voice.

I see one light on the horizon. Elizabeth Warren and those who stand with her. That's not the only light but it *is* bright.
I think Warren is hopeful because she's smart, pragmatic, realistic, and has paid enough dues already to have my confidence "generally speaking". I doubt she'll run for '16 (but who knows?). But whatever, I hope that if any Dem candidate wins in '16 (the alternative is unthinkable), she'll be a very influential voice in the new admin.

40,000 jobs in the U.S. ????

Someone is not interested in the facts.

and therefor, when their representatives tell them about the 40 thousand or so jobs and that that devil in the WH won't say yes, the gopers base will become, again, and again, outraged. Sorta like the death panel bs in 2010 huh.

You will have UpChuck, and all of Sunday talk shows, alongwith hate radio, print and air corporate media backing the jobs crap, and showing the few RW nut cases protesting on tv. Will the media oppose it and tell the truth, nope, but maybe MSNBC evening will, but alas, they have been labeled as commentary news, unlike, Fake news who is fair and balance - LOL

There are many hundreds that protest this - no media coverage.

You look at the details and you see something like, "At this intermediate station, the installation of the wiring for the monitoring meters will be done by two electricians in a day and a half." That's counted as two jobs.

As freshwest said in #18, the number of permanent jobs (i.e., what most people would think of as the number of jobs created) will be far, far smaller.

you until you just fucking go away Toronto.

I guess it makes you happy....
but it isn't what I've come to expect from Americans.
Maybe that's because I have good taste.

k&r

...to the west, doesn't want the pipeline either. Harper is picking on you because he knows who your daddy is.....


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The possibility of an oilspill isn't an abstraction for the First Nations, since an oilspill would decimate their homes, their land, their culture. The First Nations aren't averse to economically advantageous transactions, but I'm certain that they would require a 100% airtight guarantee that any ecological devastation caused by corporate activity allowed on their lands would be fully insured up to ->total reclamation of the land<-. Apparently no insurance company is willing to offer such a guarantee because the real cost in cleaning up a disaster would mean bankruptcy.

That's only one problem, but it's a big one - one that can't simply be papered over by some gov't edict.

He is getting no answer -- neither yes, nor no.

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He don't take "NO" from them --

If they disagree with him,

he fires them.

Watch out!



CC

This is NOT a defense of the pipeline. I'm just tired of ridiculous assessments such as this. Whats a "permanent job"? When you build an interstate highway, the jobs last until the road is built. When you build an office building, those jobs move when the thing is built. If you built a pipeline through the whole country, there WOULD be thousands of people working on it. But when its built, those jobs would be done. The President wants us to think you can build a pipeline for 2000 miles with 100 people?
If we want to stop the pipeline, use ACTUAL facts that can be backed up, not nonsense like this.

and destroys how much of the environment and lives? Not to mention wild animal habitats. This insane profit drive for more and more oil, is crazy.

It could mean thousands of Americans will need to find something different to put on their pancakes.