German minister tells Greece to exit eurozone
http://www.france24.com/en/20120225-german-minister-tells-greece-exit-eurozoneAFP - Germany's interior minister on Saturday came out strongly in favour of debt-stricken Greece leaving the eurozone, arguing that this would would improve its chances of becoming competitive again.
"I do not mean that Greece should be kicked out of" the 17-nation eurozone, said Hans-Peter Friedrich in an interview with news magazine Der Spiegel, "but to create incentives for an exit that they cannot turn down." "Outside European monetary union Greece's chances of regenerating itself and become competitive are definitely bigger than if it remained inside the eurozone," said Friedrich.
Friedrich was speaking ahead of a vote by German lawmakers on Monday on a further 130 billion euros ($175 billion) in loans for Greece. Under a plan hammered out by eurozone finance ministers, Greece would receive up to 130 billion euros in direct loans by 2014 in return for tough new austerity measures and tighter EU-IMF oversight of its economy. A private creditor bond writedown is worth another 107 billion euros. Germany is the biggest contributor to eurozone bailouts. The latest plan for Greece would be financed via the European Financial Stability Facility and does not involve stumping up new funds.
Chancellor Angela Merkel is opposed to Greece leaving the eurozone despite its huge debt burden and expects parliament to give the green light to the latest rescue package. She agreed in January, along with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, to keep Greece inside the eurozone for as long as Athens imposes stringent budget reforms.
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Eurogroup head cannot rule out third Greek bailout
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/24/us-greece-juncker-idUSTRE81N20Q20120224
(Reuters) - The head of the Eurogroup of euro zone finance ministers, Jean-Claude Juncker, said on Friday he could not rule out that Greece may need a third bailout. Euro zone finance ministers struck a deal on Tuesday for a second bailout program for Greece that includes new financing of 130 billion euros and aims to cut Greece's debt to 121 percent of GDP by 2020.
Asked in a television interview if he could be sure Greece would not need a third bailout, Juncker said: "You cannot really exclude that, although we should not have as a starting assumption that a third program will be (needed)."
"We made it clear last Tuesday in Brussels that we are standing ready to support Greece even beyond the time period of this program but I have good reasons to believe that we should now not engage ourselves in a debate on a 'maybe' third program. We should now ... implement the second one," he said, interviewed by David Frost on Al Jazeera. Asked about some experts' view that a Greek default is inevitable, Juncker said: "I don't see that Greece would go for a default."
The euro zone was doing everything to avoid a disorderly default by Greece, which would have had "tragic consequences, not only for Greece, but for the whole euro area as such," he said. On whether Greece would succeed in staying in the euro zone, Juncker said: "You can never exclude a new crisis although I do consider that, being at the epicenter of the global threat, we are slowly regaining safe territory."
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)I dont think you will fit in well here.
Lochloosa
(16,068 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Most people realize it will be nearly impossible for Greece to recover under the current circumstances. There needs to be some creative solution that allows/pursuades the Greeks to get out without causing a ripple effect across Europe.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)I mean, shit, Europe is big enough compared to Greece that this is a non-starter. It never was about Greece, nor really Portugal. No, Europe stands or falls on Italy, and the fear that Greece would trigger a contagion that brought down the Euro was because of Italy's debt, not Greece's.
No, what we should be concerned with (and what Europe should be concerned about) is the humanitarian crisis taking place in Greece.
So the next step in the ongoing Greek tale of woe should be for Europe to make it easy for Greece to leave without being legally harassed by suits, and that includes a plan to allow payments to its creditors in the new drachma legally and to allow Greece to remain within the trading scheme (no tariffs ) of Europe while exiting the Euro.
Everyone - absolutely everyone - knows that Greece can never come out of this carrying a debt load at 120 % of GDP. The only reason that farce of a number was selected was because Italy is at 120% of GDP.
This is BS and it should end.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)The banksters are not going let Greece off the hook for "humanitarian" reasons. Given that there must a way to allow the Greeks to exit gracefully without causing disasters both in Greece and in Europe.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)managing the situation in such a way that the CDSs don't trigger. Its about time that scam came to an end anyway - the CDSs : not Greece. I think if it does fold then there may be a mass exodus of their population even if only to Cyrprus.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Because it cannot. That's pragmatism.
FWIW, the CAC clauses are going to force CDS triggers sooner or later anyway. There is no way to avoid this.
Greece is going to pass clauses that retroactively force defaults on the bondholders, and then the game is up.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)but I would assume the negotiators will come up with something to minimize the negative impact. This is a whole new ballgame for all involved. No one wants an uncontrolled Greek default. Everyone loses in that scenario. I suspect there are serious back room negotiations going on to come up with some creative solutions to this latest crisis.
stockholmer
(3,751 posts)Nick Dunbar, author of 'The Devil's Derivatives', reveals how the country turned to investment bank Goldman Sachs for help getting around the deficit rules.
In his report for Newsnight, some of those who did the deal, talk publicly for the first time.
http://LeakSource.wordpress.com
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)JVS
(61,935 posts)Since when does the minister of the Interior talk about something that is a) foreign, b) an issue of finance, and c) an issue where he differs from the prime minister who leads his party?