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Omaha Steve

(99,706 posts)
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 12:55 AM Oct 2013

Use of force to be studied in DC police chase

Source: AP-Excite

By LARRY NEUMEISTER and ERIC TUCKER

WASHINGTON (AP) - Police in Washington are reviewing the use of officers' deadly force in the killing of a woman who tried to ram her car through a White House barrier, a shooting her family says was unjustified.

The investigation will reconstruct the car chase and shooting, which briefly put the U.S. Capitol on lockdown, and explore how officers dealt with the driver and whether protocols were followed.

Senate Sergeant at Arms Terrance Gainer said he was confident the officers "did the best they could under the situation." Police guarding national landmarks must make fast decisions without the luxury of all the facts, especially when a threat is perceived, he said.

"This is not a routine highway or city traffic stop. It is simply not that," Gainer said Saturday. "The milieu under which we're operating at the United States Capitol and I suspect at the White House and at icons up in New York is an anti-terrorism approach, and that is a difference with a huge, huge distinction."

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Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20131006/DA98DR7G0.html





This 2011 photo provided by Dr. Barry Weiss, from the website of Advanced Periodontics in Hamden, Conn., shows former employee Miriam Carey. The 34-year-old Carey was shot to death by police after a car chase that began when she tried to breach a barrier at the White House. (AP Photo/Advanced Periodontics)

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Use of force to be studied in DC police chase (Original Post) Omaha Steve Oct 2013 OP
I avoid driving in DC rightsideout Oct 2013 #1
I lived there for nine years. My car died in the first months; I didn't replace it until I left. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #3
This is as it should be. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #2
I agree there should be an investigation on use of force davidpdx Oct 2013 #4
I Think There Should Always Be An Independent Review When An Unarmed Person Is Killed DallasNE Oct 2013 #5
Excellent. pa28 Oct 2013 #6

rightsideout

(978 posts)
1. I avoid driving in DC
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 01:13 AM
Oct 2013

The cops are jerks and all the crazy one way streets and blockades make it a bitch to drive there. I prefer to be a mole and use the subway and pop up out of the ground where I need to go.

One time I was driving home from a meeting in DC and a cop walked out in front of me and yelled at me to stop so he could meet his friends having coffee at a cafe across the street. What an ass. The cops there suck. Egotistical gun toting bastards. The ones on the horses are the worse. They think they are John Wayne.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
3. I lived there for nine years. My car died in the first months; I didn't replace it until I left.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 01:29 AM
Oct 2013

I lived off 14th St NW and always worked around Dupont Circle. Rode the 14th St bus through years of subway construction, only to have the stations open after I left. Got sick of the bus. Started walking to work. Still took the bus home uphill, though.

Driving in DC certainly did suck. Just freaking horrible. When I first got there, I was amazed and appalled at the ambulances with their wailing sirens and flashing lights creeping at 3 mph through the stalled traffic. But then I got used to it.

And the cops were total assholes. They'd stop in their cars to chat with each other, blocking traffic in both directions. Couldn't give a fuck.

I knew it was time to leave DC when I started getting road rage just walking around Dupont Circle. Plus, after we saw the smoke rising from the Pentagon that September morning, my partner decided she didn't want to stick around any longer.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
2. This is as it should be.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 01:22 AM
Oct 2013

Let this investigation also open a window into the broader question of police use of lethal force.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
4. I agree there should be an investigation on use of force
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 02:16 AM
Oct 2013

But at the same time I hope the investigation isn't going to simply look to blame the officers involved. People were talking about DC cops, but these were not DC cops they were Capital Police and Secret Service.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
5. I Think There Should Always Be An Independent Review When An Unarmed Person Is Killed
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 02:24 AM
Oct 2013

Police tend to always use overwhelming force and when weapons are used they empty their guns, even when there is no clear indication that the suspect is armed. Given existing policy I highly doubt that any officers will be disciplined given what transpired at the first stop where she backed hard into a Secret Service vehicle, causing a number of officers to scramble out of the way to avoid being run over by this crazed driver. But the one criticism I had when I first saw this unfold is why none of the officers attempted to shoot out her tires. They did shoot at her car as she sped away.

No details have been released that would impact appropriate police action. For instance, was her vehicle disabled at the site where she was killed and did the officers have reason to believe that was the case. Was she injured by the impact when her car was rammed. How was she behaving and how could that be viewed as life threatening to the officers. We simply have to withhold judgment until these and other questions have been fully answered. And independent review is definitely called for.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
6. Excellent.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 01:17 PM
Oct 2013

Somehow european police rarely shoot and kill unarmed people. I wonder why that is?

Hopefully this study isn't just a perfunctory set up with the purpose of clearing the officers but a real investigation of the people involved.

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