and defy this game for what it is

Leverage, party lines, horse trading is one thing

Extortion is another

And when GWBush was President ... he was supreme, you
had to toe the GOP line and stand with the President or you
were a traitor

NOW, GOP is screaming about the People's Will in the house,
everything the president does is wrong

Hypocrites!!

have quietly talked to those on the other side sick of jackholes like Cruz and have the Republican votes they need.

Mark it.

Obama himself and his administration have stated many times that they don't fill they have the authority to use the 14th amendment to override the debt limit. Since obama boxed himself in can't the treasury Secretary do it on his own? Sure there would be a court challenge but i'm sure ultimately the court would say no one has standing.

As American citizens, and knowing the Constitution was written for us, to help the US citizens, I believe we have a right, to insist the federal government follow the 14th amendment. We always hear anyone who owns a gun, that the 2nd amendment is the law of the land, well, anyone who wants this country to pay its bills should insist on evoking the 14th...

. . .namely the 14th Amendment.

There will be NO default, people. Bank on it. Literally.

I believe Repugs want to default so they can blame Obama so they can start impeachment.

They dont need Obama to do anything other than exist and have been elected to the office of the president for that.

I can't understand why everyone is afraid of the republicans trying to impeach Obama.

but that would be another 6 month + drag where nothing gets done and we sink into 3rd worldship even more

Did you really expect anything to get done before the midterms? Let them impeach. Impeachment = democratic house in 2014. And impeachment ends there and POTUS can get get things done his last two years that he pissed away the first two years

The Republicans impeached Clinton and they kept the House in the next election. Posters have been saying Obama will be impeached since he was elected and there have been no moves in that direction. I don't expect any.

Impeaching Obama in itself wouldn't automatically lead to dems taking the house, but as a continuation of this insanity it should would help dems to take the house.

I work in a mutual fund call center. Last week was pretty much business as usual, but people read the news over the weekend and are starting to meltdown. Nearly every call I took yesterday, the edginess was there...nerves are fraying in a big way.

would be the first article of impeachment, if the Tea Partiers were even remotely honest with themselves...

for Democratic Presidents.

.... there are few clearer calculations/prediction than what would happen if the house moved to impeach Obama. It would blow up in their faces in a BIG BIG way, not even a question about that. Make my day, impeach.

It would be the end of the Republican party.

which is far short of the 50% + 1 most majorities normally need, except in the fucked up US senate.
Jesus effing christ they have so perverted government!

Which is why they would need some Republicans. It's possible Snowe and McCain would at least vote for cloture if not the actual clean debt limit increase (it seems funny saying clean, I have to wonder if we should be calling the other "dirty" just for the hell of it). Then the debt increase would need 51. We could do that even if we have a couple Ds defect (which could happen).

Thanks for the thread, Cali_Democrat.

which usually mean adopt the teabaggers' point of view.