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Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 05:37 PM Oct 2013

Patriot Act author prepares bill to put NSA bulk collection 'out of business'

Source: the guardian

The conservative Republican who co-authored America's Patriot Act is preparing to unveil bipartisan legislation that would dramatically curtail the domestic surveillance powers it gives to intelligence agencies.

Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner, who worked with president George W Bush to give more power to US intelligence agencies after the September 11 terrorist attacks, said the intelligence community had misused those powers by collecting telephone records on all Americans, and claimed it was time "to put their metadata program out of business"...


Sensenbrenner has called his bill the Uniting and Strengthening America by Fulfilling Rights and Ending Eavesdropping, Dragnet-Collection, and Online Monitoring Act – or USA Freedom Act, and a draft seen by the Guardian has four broad aims.

It seeks to limit the collection of phone records to known terrorist suspects; to end "secret laws" by making courts disclose surveillance policies; to create a special court advocate to represent privacy interests; and to allow companies to disclose how many requests for users' information they receive from the USA. The bill also tightens up language governing overseas surveillance to remove a loophole which it has been abused to target internet and email activities of Americans...


Jim Sensenbrenner told the Guardian: 'The disclosure that NSA employees were spying on their spouses … was very chilling.' Photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/10/nsa-surveillance-patriot-act-author-bill

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Patriot Act author prepares bill to put NSA bulk collection 'out of business' (Original Post) Indi Guy Oct 2013 OP
Its a start. HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #1
If a Dem pol had gone after the "Patriot Act" in this way... Indi Guy Oct 2013 #3
FWIW, Sensenbrenner isn't really going after NSA overreach Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #6
Whatever his motives... Indi Guy Oct 2013 #9
Bad press only goes so far... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #11
Seriously, what GOOD has the Patriot Act done since its inception? Any at all? nikto Oct 2013 #14
The NSA was illegally snooping on Americans BEFORE 9/11 and the Patriot Act... Indi Guy Oct 2013 #17
Then some Dems need to get aboard and put some teeth in the reform. HooptieWagon Oct 2013 #15
He hasn't done anything useful since first being sent to Washington. Just another silver-spooner. Scuba Oct 2013 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #22
Two of the most basic tenets of traditional liberalism pipoman Oct 2013 #8
I agree, it is embarrassing to have a GOPer take this up 1st... nikto Oct 2013 #13
Its political. If a GOP was still in office as President Iliyah Oct 2013 #2
Political or not, I like the move. Indi Guy Oct 2013 #4
Sensenbrenner has some fucking gall Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #5
He's said a number of actually sane things of late. Wilms Oct 2013 #7
If Sensenbrenner is behind this, you know it's probably screwed up jmowreader Oct 2013 #10
What's the catch? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #12
Putting worms back into the can. marble falls Oct 2013 #16
Golly. NOW he figures this out?! Well, better late than never.... Hekate Oct 2013 #18
He is another totally corrupt RW LIAR and extremist, ask his chum Saleh Kamel among others bobthedrummer Oct 2013 #20
Good for him bobGandolf Oct 2013 #21
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
1. Its a start.
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 05:47 PM
Oct 2013

Dems really dropped the ball, not getting a grasp on the surveillence misconduct. Now a republican takes leadership of the issue and will find a lot of support. Kudos to him...but why couldn't it have been a Dem?

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
3. If a Dem pol had gone after the "Patriot Act" in this way...
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 06:01 PM
Oct 2013

...imagine the reaction in the corporate press.

Also there's a certain cred that comes from an author of the Patriot Act going after the spook abuses.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
6. FWIW, Sensenbrenner isn't really going after NSA overreach
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 06:18 PM
Oct 2013

His proposed four major "reforms" are little more than cosmetic and do nothing to help correct the big picture...But it got him his headline, so mission accomplished...

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
9. Whatever his motives...
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 06:36 PM
Oct 2013

...it's good for the country that the Patriot Act & its evil spawn get bad press.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
11. Bad press only goes so far...
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 06:47 PM
Oct 2013

Because too much of it can leave the public in neutral gear, more focused on the outrage instead of corrective action...

Everyone's already mad about the NSA...What's *really* good for the country is someone devising a definitive plan on what to DO about it...Sadly no one in Washington wants to have that conversation, trust me....

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
14. Seriously, what GOOD has the Patriot Act done since its inception? Any at all?
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 07:32 PM
Oct 2013

The Patriot Act must have some good results/outcomes, right?

Somebody, please inform me of them so I will know from now on.

The benefits of TPA must make a long list, huh?

Somebody...
start listing!





Thanks for any response.

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
17. The NSA was illegally snooping on Americans BEFORE 9/11 and the Patriot Act...
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 03:27 AM
Oct 2013
Spy Agency Sought U.S. Call Records Before 9/11, Lawyers Say
By Andrew Harris - June 30, 2006 18:46 EDT

June 30 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court papers filed in New York federal court.

The allegation is part of a court filing adding AT&T, the nation's largest telephone company, as a defendant in a breach of privacy case filed earlier this month on behalf of Verizon Communications Inc. and BellSouth Corp. customers. The suit alleges that the three carriers, the NSA and President George W. Bush violated the Telecommunications Act of 1934 and the U.S. Constitution, and seeks money damages.

"The Bush Administration asserted this became necessary after 9/11,'' plaintiff's lawyer Carl Mayer said in a telephone interview. "This undermines that assertion.''...
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=abIV0cO64zJE
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
15. Then some Dems need to get aboard and put some teeth in the reform.
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 07:32 PM
Oct 2013

There is broad public opposition to the out of control NSA spying.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
19. He hasn't done anything useful since first being sent to Washington. Just another silver-spooner.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 07:01 AM
Oct 2013

Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #6)

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
8. Two of the most basic tenets of traditional liberalism
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 06:27 PM
Oct 2013

include liberal interpretation of all civil rights/liberties, and protection of the working class. Both of these tenets have been abandoned by the Democratic party leaving a vacuum which will be filled...sooner or later..

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
13. I agree, it is embarrassing to have a GOPer take this up 1st...
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 07:20 PM
Oct 2013

But it is very important that somebody address it, regardless.

Just goes to show----You should never stop being skeptical about EITHER party.
(The Dems still count the execrable Rahm Emmanuel as a member, so mindless party
loyalty to any and all Dems is not possible for me).

And maybe, just maybe...
A small slice of the GOP is starting to recover from Chronic Lying Asshole Disease.

Or, it could be a bulls--t PR move.


We'll see.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. Its political. If a GOP was still in office as President
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 05:58 PM
Oct 2013

he would have not lifted a finger. NSA will remain, maybe under another disguise, but it will remain intact. So what he's doing is nothing but window dressing and if and when a GOP president arises, he'll be 100% behind him concerning the NSA.

Secondly he did not lift a finger with W huh.

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
4. Political or not, I like the move.
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 06:06 PM
Oct 2013

Anything that can get the public sentiment moving more strongly against big brother and his support mechanism is fine with me.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
5. Sensenbrenner has some fucking gall
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 06:14 PM
Oct 2013

The number of congresscritters who have developed selective memories and temporary conscious amuses me to no end...

jmowreader

(50,566 posts)
10. If Sensenbrenner is behind this, you know it's probably screwed up
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 06:44 PM
Oct 2013

If properly managed, the metadata program could be a useful tool in the apprehension of terrorists. My recommendation would be to only allow the Agency to hold a day's metadata take for three calendar days if there's no activity from known terrorists in it. If a known terrorist phone number starts talking to a number that's not a known terrorist number, it would be good to be able to trace back the new guy a couple of days to see who else he's talking to, but three days would be plenty.

The thing about the NSA guys spying on their wives...that was already illegal. So let me see...if they violate one law against spying on your wife, we'll pass another one and when they violate that law we'll pass another one and then when they violate THAT law we'll pass yet another one. Isn't this reminiscent of the Drug War?

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