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ejbr

(5,857 posts)
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 09:53 PM Oct 2013

Shutdown keeps prison guards from getting paid … but prisoners still making bank

Source: New York Daily News

Employees at federal prisons aren't able to collect a paycheck during the government shutdown, even though the inmates they are overseeing are being paid.
A group of 100 guards at a federal prison camp in Yankton, S.D., still have to work in order to "protect human life and property," but will have to trust the government to make good on their promise to retroactively pay them.

In a cruel twist, the criminals locked up in the facility are still receiving their money for services rendered while they are in custody because there is a different funding tier for the prisoners' pay.
"Basically, we're working right now on an IOU for the government, and we have families to support. We have bills to pay and we're expected to be here," American Federation of Government Employees Local 4040 Union President Michele Kunkel told KELO-TV.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/shutdown-freezes-pay-guards-prisoners-article-1.1482877#ixzz2hT6toZQB


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quelle suprise...
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Shutdown keeps prison guards from getting paid … but prisoners still making bank (Original Post) ejbr Oct 2013 OP
Somehow I have a feeling I will soon see a youtube clip of someone of foxnews saying Snake Plissken Oct 2013 #1
Oh the right wingers are going to love that headline. /nt Ash_F Oct 2013 #2
is the inmates labor subbed out to private industry? elehhhhna Oct 2013 #3
BINGO! TexasProgresive Oct 2013 #4
At the *proper* wage scale, and the loss of money for their upkeep is *socialized* by taxpayers. freshwest Oct 2013 #5
Most likely davidpdx Oct 2013 #6
So true, so sad. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #9
I reread the article and it looks like the prisoners are paid by the federal government davidpdx Oct 2013 #10
Even worse! SO THE PRISON GETS MONEY FOR SELLING THE INMATES Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #11
Welcome to DU and I totally agree gopiscrap Oct 2013 #16
Thanks. Miranda4peace Oct 2013 #18
thank you and you're welcome gopiscrap Oct 2013 #19
You understand those prisoners are making about 10 cents a day, right? stranger81 Oct 2013 #7
A bit more than 10 cents a day ConcernedCanuk Oct 2013 #13
this shit should not be allowed to happen gopiscrap Oct 2013 #17
at present, they're making more than the guards n/t ejbr Oct 2013 #25
Prisoners are hardly "making bank." 1000words Oct 2013 #8
more than the guards at present n/t ejbr Oct 2013 #23
Touché 1000words Oct 2013 #31
making bank? KG Oct 2013 #12
It is relevant that Ineeda Oct 2013 #14
no one is "blaming" the prisoners... ejbr Oct 2013 #22
Like I said, disingenuous. n/t Ineeda Oct 2013 #26
apples, oranges n/t ejbr Oct 2013 #28
The guards will supplement their income smuggling contraband then TriplD Oct 2013 #15
Making bank! Iggo Oct 2013 #20
The guards will get paid later for not working today. Live and Learn Oct 2013 #21
not being able to buy groceries or pay bills is not "hooey" for these guards n/t ejbr Oct 2013 #24
So let's all get outraged over the dime the prisoners get instead. Oy. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2013 #27
annoyed would be more appropriate; outrage should be reserved for more pressing matters. n/t ejbr Oct 2013 #29
I'm not making light of the federal workers plights. Live and Learn Oct 2013 #32
As an ex-Federal inmate NBachers Oct 2013 #30

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
1. Somehow I have a feeling I will soon see a youtube clip of someone of foxnews saying
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 10:02 PM
Oct 2013

President Obama is personally funding the prisoners' pay out of his own pocket, and the knuckledraggers watching foxnews will swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

TexasProgresive

(12,160 posts)
4. BINGO!
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 10:18 PM
Oct 2013

The local Federal prison here has contracts with private business and the inmates work and get paid.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. At the *proper* wage scale, and the loss of money for their upkeep is *socialized* by taxpayers.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 11:25 PM
Oct 2013

Ain't that special...

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
6. Most likely
Sat Oct 12, 2013, 12:34 AM
Oct 2013

Which makes the story very misleading in two different ways. One it doesn't highlight the fact that prisoners are working for pennies on the dollar. Two, it obviously doesn't bother to explain the fact that the program is a partnership with a corporation which is why the prisoner's pay isn't withheld.

It is an example of shitty journalism at it's best.

Miranda4peace

(225 posts)
9. So true, so sad.
Sat Oct 12, 2013, 03:44 AM
Oct 2013

I'd like to add, the prison usually receives a ton of money in addition to the measly pay those prisoners receive. So basically the prison also gets paid for the work that the prisoners do(more corporate socialism).
I'm sure plenty of those prisoners have families that could really use the support.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
10. I reread the article and it looks like the prisoners are paid by the federal government
Sat Oct 12, 2013, 06:30 AM
Oct 2013

but it is a different program which may still have funding.

Miranda4peace

(225 posts)
11. Even worse! SO THE PRISON GETS MONEY FOR SELLING THE INMATES
Sat Oct 12, 2013, 06:32 AM
Oct 2013

and the prisoners don't receive anything FROM THE PEOPLE MAKING DOUGH OFF THEIR LABOR?

GGGgggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

In the end the taxpayers are screwed the most, as usual!

gopiscrap

(23,765 posts)
19. thank you and you're welcome
Sat Oct 12, 2013, 02:24 PM
Oct 2013

hope you learn from us and we learn from you and that we have times when we'll laugh together!

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
7. You understand those prisoners are making about 10 cents a day, right?
Sat Oct 12, 2013, 01:24 AM
Oct 2013

Or would that spoil the outrage?

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
13. A bit more than 10 cents a day
Sat Oct 12, 2013, 07:17 AM
Oct 2013

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By Eric Pfeiffer, Yahoo News
October 10, 2013 6:30 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/unlike-prison-workers--federal-inmates-still-getting-paid-during-government-shutdown-223059095.html

/snip/

The prisoners are paid for their work from a separate fund. And since they make considerably smaller wages than a worker outside the prison walls, the Department of Justice says they have enough cash to cover the lapse of funding while parts of the federal government remain closed. The Federal Prison Industries (FPI) program receives about $2.7 million in government funding each year .

FPI employees are paid a minimum of 23 cents per hour and can legally be paid up to $1.15 an hour for their work. All able-bodied federal prisoners are required by law to work for FPI or in some other prison labor capacity.

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And, of interest, - pay can be MUCH better in State prisons.
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-prison-industry-in-the-united-states-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289

The Prison Industry in the United States: Big Business or a New Form of Slavery?

By Vicky Pelaez
Global Research, January 31, 2013

/snip/

Inmates in state penitentiaries generally receive the minimum wage for their work, but not all; in Colorado, they get about $2 per hour, well under the minimum. And in privately-run prisons, they receive as little as 17 cents per hour for a maximum of six hours a day, the equivalent of $20 per month. The highest-paying private prison is CCA in Tennessee, where prisoners receive 50 cents per hour for what they call “highly skilled positions.” At those rates, it is no surprise that inmates find the pay in federal prisons to be very generous. There, they can earn $1.25 an hour and work eight hours a day, and sometimes overtime. They can send home $200-$300 per month.


Thanks to prison labor, the United States is once again an attractive location for investment in work that was designed for Third World labor markets. A company that operated a maquiladora (assembly plant in Mexico near the border) closed down its operations there and relocated to San Quentin State Prison in California. In Texas, a factory fired its 150 workers and contracted the services of prisoner-workers from the private Lockhart Texas prison, where circuit boards are assembled for companies like IBM and Compaq.
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It is well known that the USA has more prisoners per capita than any other country in the World - some 2.3 million at present.

Slavery was abolished - sort of - they don't get them from abroad anymore - they enslave their own!

In more ways than one . . .

CC

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
14. It is relevant that
Sat Oct 12, 2013, 08:45 AM
Oct 2013

prisoners cannot vote and therefore have absolutely no say in what goes on outside their cages. It seems disingenuous to blame them for their measly "paychecks", which seems to be the point of this article and the OP.

ejbr

(5,857 posts)
22. no one is "blaming" the prisoners...
Sat Oct 12, 2013, 06:46 PM
Oct 2013

however, I would imagine it to be frustrating for a guard to have to work for nothing while those who broke the law get paid; apples and oranges.

TriplD

(176 posts)
15. The guards will supplement their income smuggling contraband then
Sat Oct 12, 2013, 10:36 AM
Oct 2013

their shitty pay has turned half of them into smugglers anyway, so now the rest will become corrupt. Another win for the GOP in their quest to spread chaos and misery.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
21. The guards will get paid later for not working today.
Sat Oct 12, 2013, 05:53 PM
Oct 2013

Idle prisoners are not a good idea plus they are cheap labor. This is a bunch of hooey about nothing.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
32. I'm not making light of the federal workers plights.
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 02:31 PM
Oct 2013

But to try to place outrage on the inmates getting their paltry salaries is ridiculous and not at all comparable.

If you are incensed about the workers paychecks being delayed simply state that. Why try to feign outrage at the inmates?

NBachers

(17,152 posts)
30. As an ex-Federal inmate
Sat Oct 12, 2013, 07:38 PM
Oct 2013

I had a choice of jobs when I went into the system. I did farm work. I did custodial work. I did construction work - I actually built the facility I was housed in; right down to the room where I lived.

My first choice was always an industrial job in Federal Prison Industries. I could make enough money to finance my own modest commissary needs, and send money out to my family each month.

Over the years I was in the joint, I was able to save up a couple of thousand dollars. That money was the nest-egg I used to start over again when I was finally released.

I worked my way up to the $1.15 an hour wage scale; I even received a couple of five cent longevity raises.

There were plenty of inmates doing the lazy, do-as-little-work-as-possible jobs. I went the other way. When I got out, I wanted to be on a regular workaday schedule.

So I was able to help support my family by sending out the meager amount I could earn each month, and I was able to facilitate my transition back into the world.

This all happened years ago. I haven't re-entered the system. I'm one of the success stories who never went back.

Part of the reason was because I was able to contribute when I was down, and because I kept up my regular work-day schedule.


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