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kpete

(71,991 posts)
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 07:18 PM Feb 2012

Detroit automakers race to keep up with sales

Detroit automakers race to keep up with sales
TOM KRISHER
Published: 25 minutes ago

DETROIT (AP) - Auto sales are growing so fast that Detroit can barely keep up.

Three years after the U.S. auto industry nearly collapsed, sales of cars and trucks are surging. Sales could exceed 14 million this year, above last year's 12.8 million.

The result: Carmakers are adding shifts and hiring thousands of workers around the country. Carmakers and parts companies added more than 38,000 jobs last year, reaching a total of 717,000. And automakers have announced plans to add another 13,000 this year, mostly on night shifts.

But there's a downside. The newfound success is straining the factory network of the Detroit automakers, as well as the companies that make the thousands of parts that go into each vehicle. This could lead to shortages that drive up prices.

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Detroit automakers race to keep up with sales (Original Post) kpete Feb 2012 OP
Oh dear, the right-wing is NOT going to be happy about this at all... toddwv Feb 2012 #1
The SUV and Pickup hater crowd is NOT going to be happy either. former9thward Feb 2012 #2
Tesla Motors is releasing an all electric SUV next year truthisfreedom Feb 2012 #3
I'll predict it will have the same poor sales as other all electric cars experience. former9thward Feb 2012 #6
Tesla Motors’ Devastating Design Problem MicaelS Feb 2012 #7
I guess I should cancel my plans to put one in storage. Holy cow this is alarming. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #10
Trying to find the silver lining, huh? 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #4
Pickups and SUVs just drive you crazy, don't they? former9thward Feb 2012 #5
Well, I can't speak for the previous poster, but global warming and Peak Oil drive me nuts NickB79 Feb 2012 #15
The issues in global warming will not be solved on the individual level. former9thward Feb 2012 #18
Why would they? 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #16
I imagine it us rather ethically convenient LanternWaste Feb 2012 #8
I imagine it is rather ethically convenient former9thward Feb 2012 #9
Hey, if people are stupid enough to buy a 20-mpg vehicle when gas is almost $4/gallon NickB79 Feb 2012 #14
I own one of those and don't need any condolences. former9thward Feb 2012 #17
Actually, no .. Gas is at a high that hasn't been seen since shortly after WWI.. Fumesucker Feb 2012 #20
Right now christx30 Feb 2012 #21
I am sure glad there are millions of folks out there (pick your word) enough to buy new cars snooper2 Feb 2012 #11
Excellent news! JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #12
For January 2012, light truck sales were 49.7%, down from 53.4% in January 2011 FarCenter Feb 2012 #13
I'd put my money on the mild weather this winter being a factor, as well. bluedigger Feb 2012 #19

truthisfreedom

(23,146 posts)
3. Tesla Motors is releasing an all electric SUV next year
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 09:14 PM
Feb 2012

That's completely warless. No war has ever been fought over electricity in this country.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
7. Tesla Motors’ Devastating Design Problem
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 12:35 PM
Feb 2012
http://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastating-design-problem

Tesla Motors' lineup of all-electric vehicles — its existing Roadster, almost certainly its impending Model S, and possibly its future Model X — apparently suffer from a severe limitation that can largely destroy the value of the vehicle. If the battery is ever totally discharged, the owner is left with what Tesla describes as a "brick": a completely immobile vehicle that cannot be started or even pushed down the street. The only known remedy is for the owner to pay Tesla approximately $40,000 to replace the entire battery. Unlike practically every other modern car problem, neither Tesla's warranty nor typical car insurance policies provide any protection from this major financial loss. Here's how it happens.

A Tesla Roadster that is simply parked without being plugged in will eventually become a "brick". The parasitic load from the car's always-on subsystems continually drains the battery and if the battery's charge is ever totally depleted, it is essentially destroyed. Complete discharge can happen even when the car is plugged in if it isn't receiving sufficient current to charge, which can be caused by something as simple as using an extension cord. After battery death, the car is completely inoperable. At least in the case of the Tesla Roadster, it's not even possible to enable tow mode, meaning the wheels will not turn and the vehicle cannot be pushed nor transported to a repair facility by traditional means.

The amount of time it takes an unplugged Tesla to die varies. Tesla's Roadster Owners Manual states that the battery should take approximately 11 weeks of inactivity to completely discharge. However, that is from a full 100% charge. If the car has been driven first, say to be parked at an airport for a long trip, that time can be substantially reduced. If the car is driven to nearly its maximum range and then left unplugged, it could potentially "brick" in about one week. Many other scenarios are possible: for example, the car becomes unplugged by accident, or is unwittingly plugged into an extension cord that is defective or too long.

When a Tesla battery does reach total discharge, it cannot be recovered and must be entirely replaced. Unlike a normal car battery, the best-case replacement cost of the Tesla battery is currently at least $32,000, not including labor and taxes that can add thousands more to the cost.


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NickB79

(19,236 posts)
15. Well, I can't speak for the previous poster, but global warming and Peak Oil drive me nuts
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 07:11 PM
Feb 2012

And purchasing inefficient vehicles of whatever shape and size greatly contribute to both.

Since you appear to enjoy trucks and SUV's, I was just curious: are you concerned about either problem, and if so how do you reconcile the obvious conflict that arises?

former9thward

(32,003 posts)
18. The issues in global warming will not be solved on the individual level.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 09:01 PM
Feb 2012

Buying some tiny car may make you feel better but it has no meaning towards global warming. Tens of millions of people are entering the middle class in China and guess what -- they are buying cars. The same is occurring all over the developing world. For every event you think does 'x' about global warming there are a 100 events doing 'x' against that.

I drive trucks because of safety. I am above the traffic and see better than those in cars. i am surrounded by hundreds of pounds of steel -- not the plastic in small cars. In an equal accident trucks will wind up in much better shape than cars.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
8. I imagine it us rather ethically convenient
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 01:45 PM
Feb 2012

I imagine it us rather ethically convenient to conflate those concerned with leaving a sustainable planet with "hater crowd".

And while the confusion is most certainly short-sighted (at best), I do in fact, see the visceral satisfaction one may feel by consciously rendering two wholly separate concepts as one.

former9thward

(32,003 posts)
9. I imagine it is rather ethically convenient
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 01:55 PM
Feb 2012

for you to conflate those who like pickups and SUVs with being unconcerned about leaving a sustainable planet.

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
14. Hey, if people are stupid enough to buy a 20-mpg vehicle when gas is almost $4/gallon
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 07:08 PM
Feb 2012

And only bound to go higher, they have my condolences.

But I'm sure we'll hear them bitching just as much as the next guy when skyrocketing fuel costs create a second recession and drive up the cost of groceries, or when devastating climate swings start to destroy cropland and melt ice caps (well, more than we've already started to see, that is).

former9thward

(32,003 posts)
17. I own one of those and don't need any condolences.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 08:44 PM
Feb 2012

I don't care what the price of gas is -- inflation adjusted it has been much higher and people got by. What I do care about is safety. In my pickup I am above traffic and can see much better than those in cars. Also in an accident a pickup will get through an accident in much better shape than most cars. So you can drive around in your plastic car and you have my condolences when someone smashes into you. I won't need them.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
21. Right now
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 09:41 PM
Feb 2012

I'm kind of glad my minivan died back in October. The nearest bus stop is more than half a mile away, and grocery shopping is a pain in the ass, but my transportation is only $30 per month. I know it's going to jack up the cost of groceries, and $1.50 for an avacado is not good, but I can live with it.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
11. I am sure glad there are millions of folks out there (pick your word) enough to buy new cars
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 02:11 PM
Feb 2012

So I can buy them used with 10-20K and save 10's of thousands of dollars
Thanks!

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
12. Excellent news!
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 06:21 PM
Feb 2012

Hopefully they start addressing this now. It would be great if reclaiming some of the abandoned factories could be a viable solution.

Julie

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
13. For January 2012, light truck sales were 49.7%, down from 53.4% in January 2011
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 06:40 PM
Feb 2012

Domestic cars = 328,130
Import cars = 129,575

Domestic light trucks = 378,205
Import light trucks = 74,359

http://wardsauto.com/keydata/USSalesSummary and spreadsheet of sales data that is available on that page.
Note that December 2011 saw a sales spike above November and January, so maybe the dealers had a truck sale.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
19. I'd put my money on the mild weather this winter being a factor, as well.
Tue Feb 28, 2012, 09:23 PM
Feb 2012

This mild winter can't be good for fleet sales.

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