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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 07:06 AM Oct 2013

India police 'arrest crew of US ship over arms'

Source: AFP

New Delhi (AFP) - Indian police Friday arrested and questioned 33 people aboard a ship operated by a US anti-piracy firm for carrying guns and ammunition in Indian waters without proper permits, reports said.

India's coastguard stopped and detained the ship off the Indian coast on October 12 after discovering the cache of weapons and ammunition, before escorting it to the southern port of Tuticorin.

Police then launched an investigation into the 10 crew and 25 security guards of the Seaman Guard Ohio which is registered in Sierra Leone and belongs to the US-based maritime security firm AdvanFort.

The 35, who include British, Estonian, Ukrainian and Indian nationals, were detained on Friday over the stash of some 35 assault rifles and around 5,600 rounds of ammunition, according to the Press Trust of India (PTI) news agency.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/india-police-arrest-crew-us-ship-over-arms-094349946.html

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Demeter

(85,373 posts)
1. Aha! The shape of things to come
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 07:36 AM
Oct 2013

and these are only American-based mercenaries.

Pretty soon, pushback for the US slave army, too.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
2. If they are hired to fight piracy, not sure it's that bad?
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:01 AM
Oct 2013

Some shipping companies are likely hiring security to protect themselves from the armed pirates.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
4. Is a nation sovereign, or does a Corporation from abroad override territorial sovereignity?
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:53 AM
Oct 2013

It's bad. It's invasion.

You want to fight pirates? That ain't the way.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
13. It's not that cut and dry.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 05:30 PM
Oct 2013

The best way to fight pirates is for countries to deploy their navies. That's one reason they have navies.

But what happens if the countries are unwilling or unable to deploy?

I can envision a prime minister saying "Why should I spend money sending our warships out just to protect some old tramp steamers?"

Then what? What would you advise the ship owners to do? Just go out of business? Or maybe take a deadly roll of the dice with their ships and their crew?

I'm not so sure what I'd advise them myself, but I can understand their desire to arm themselves.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
5. So you would be ok with a Chinese ship full of mercenaries armed to the teeth
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:21 AM
Oct 2013

steaming around one of our cities, right?

Nay

(12,051 posts)
6. Except under rare circumstances, by world maritime law civilian ships are not
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:37 AM
Oct 2013

allowed to be armed and individuals on the ships are not allowed to be armed. IOW, shipping companies cannot hire armed guards for their ships.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
7. IMO Guidance for Armed Security detachments doesn't seem to mention this
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:59 AM
Oct 2013
Current IMO guidance on:

Carriage of firearms on board merchant ships:
• Masters, shipowners and companies should be aware that ships entering the territorial sea and/or ports of a State are subject to that State’s legislation. It should be borne in mind that importation of firearms is subject to port and coastal State regulations.


The high seas don't have prohibitions. However when entering within the Territorial Waters you may be required to Disclose and otherwise render inoperable.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
12. They can, it just needs the approval of countries through whose waters they pass
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 05:25 PM
Oct 2013

If for some God-knows-why reason some container ships running from Portugal to Canada decided they needed armed guards aboard, and Canadian and Portuguese authorities allowed it, that would be the end of that and they could go about doing so.

If it was an Italian company doing the same thing, then they'd also need the okay from Spain and Morocco (and possibly other countries depending on the specific route).

The main reason it doesn't happen so often isn't because there's a blanket ban, it's because the process is incredibly complicated, especially if you're going through high-piracy areas that have a lot of countries with varying regulations on such things.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
14. I didn't know exactly how it worked -- I just know my brother's container ships
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 06:34 PM
Oct 2013

never carried arms because of the convoluted maritime regulations.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
8. The sad part is too often these "freelancers"
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 12:41 PM
Oct 2013

begin to emulate the people they're supposed to be fighting against (i.e., the 'Minutemen' supposedly guarding the Mexican border)

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
15. India charges 33 aboard armed U.S. "anti-piracy" ship
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 10:23 AM
Oct 2013

(Reuters) - India has charged 33 men aboard an armed ship operated by a U.S. maritime security firm for failing to produce papers authorising it to carry weapons in Indian waters, police said on Saturday, a move that could trigger diplomatic tensions.

The captain and the chief engineer were not among those arrested in Friday's action.

The crew have been charged with illegal procurement of diesel and possession of arms and ammunitions without required documentation.

"The captain kept saying that he would produce the required documentation, but whatever was produced was inadequate," a police officer, who did not wish to be identified, told Reuters from Chennai.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/10/19/india-ship-seaman-guard-ohio-idINDEE99I02V20131019

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
16. MV Seaman Guard Ohio: sailor held in India 'attempts suicide'
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 07:10 AM
Oct 2013

(the headline currently says 'US sailor', but the text says the nationality is unknown)

The chief engineer of a US-owned ship detained in India has attempted to take his own life while in jail, police say.
...
Police said others present in the cell prevented the engineer from taking his life. His nationality is not known.
...
Police told the BBC's Tamil service that the man tried to strangle himself using his shirt at 05:00 local time on Monday [23:30GMT Sunday], but he was stopped in time by others in the cell at Palayamkottai.

Reports suggest he may have attempted to take his own life earlier in the weekend as well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-24606031
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