Scientists raise concerns over $60-billion nuclear weapons plan
Source: Los Angeles Times
The Energy Department's plan to modernize its aging nuclear weapons complex and update the seven hydrogen bomb designs in the nation's arsenal would require massive investments at a time of severe budget pressure.
As a result, the plan is getting a tough assessment by outside groups, who say congressional Republicans and Democrats are not fully on board with what the Obama administration has proposed over the last year: a $60-billion effort that would transform industrial arms sites across the nation and fundamentally reconfigure existing weapon designs.
A report this week by the Union of Concerned Scientists raises new objections that the plan would require construction of unnecessary facilities and introduce untested combinations of parts inside the bombs which could erode confidence in their reliability and safety.
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Among the authors of the report was Philip Coyle, who at one time ran the nation's nuclear testing program in Nevada, later was deputy director of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, and until 2011 served as associate director for national security and international affairs in the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. Coyle said the current plan essentially violates the Obama administration's pledge against developing new nuclear weapons.
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Read more: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nuclear-scientists-20131019,0,6506542.story
CRH
(1,553 posts)This is why it is hard for me to see the Obama administration as anything other than a mis direction of 'business as usual'.
We have a warming planet in crisis, in need of preventing future carbon pollution, and this administration feels nuclear war toys need to be upgraded while cutting clean energy grants. Both issues speak to the survival of humanity, one tries to preserve the other leads to destruction. Doesn't seem like a hard choice to me.
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/10/the-sequester-and-its-impact-on-government-funding-for-renewable-energy-projects
These cuts are in sharp contrast to the renewable energy research boom time that was spawned with the passage of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, which made $275 billion available for federal contracts, grants and loans. Of this total, more than $90 billion in grants, investments and incentives was directed towards clean energy projects with $16.8 billion being allocated to the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). These funds supported EEREs core initiatives comprised of seven programs listed under the umbrella of "renewable energy projects that include: biomass; geothermal technologies; fuel cells; solar energy; water power; wind energy; and crosscutting (combined projects).
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)limiting the number of nuclear weapons and the liability having them here causes. I want to know if there's some concern that the weapons we have are unstable or unsafe for some reason and this is the concession. I wonder who would know if there's concern about our nuclear arsenal causing some problem in the near future. I'm sure the info is top secret, and/or if it's something they're afraid to tell the world for political/economic fall out.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)"the current plan essentially violates the Obama administration's pledge against developing new nuclear weapons." Obama and the MIC - now and forever intertwined.
If Obama is obliged to send huge billions to the MIC, let it be for building a safe disposal system for spent nuclear fuel rods!
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)Obama, and many others frankly, wanted to decrease the number of nukes. We don't need them and they're costing a fortune to maintain. He had already consulted with the military who did a study about how many we need and how to get rid of them. Getting rid of any of them or converting the materials would be a huge national security issue so I'm wondering if this huge pricetag isn't giving cover to programs they can't tell the American people about. Namely because telling Americans also tells our enemies. It may also be part of the reason Iran is backing down on their nuclear program. Maybe an agreement between the two countries.
PuffedMica
(1,061 posts)The nuclear weapons developers and their contractors want to hop back on the gravy train of detonating atomic bombs. They want to spend torrents of cash (i.e. funnel money in a way that they receive benefit) on an intangible product. Then the taxpayers have to accept the expenditure on a report that says "we were successful" but cannot access the results because they are 'classified'.
What a deal. Where do I sign up to do some testing?
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)They're too dangerous and costly to keep stored. They take up a huge chunk of the military budget to store and protect just sitting there so the MIC would rather see that money funneled into something they can sell them. If you haven't noticed the entire nuke program in the Air Force is a drag on it. Two commanders have recently been fired. Morale is low, they're failing inspections. The manpower to basically sit and watch them day in and out has taken it's toll.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)Additionally, in 2006, two physicists associated with the American Physical Society criticized the UCS for not supporting a government-run nuclear waste reprocessing program.
I don't know which side is right, but the UCS may just not be in favor of this program and is taking a hard stance. One of the reasons I questioned UCS' stance is because usually issues like this we see a uniformity of scientists and many articles on the issue. Early on I was struck by the lack of attention given to this statement by the UCS. While I know the gov't and mic can get stories buried I couldn't find any evidence that was the case. Anyway, just thought i'd add that. I'm going to read the article on the nuclear waste reprocessing now.
bananas
(27,509 posts)Ivan Oelrich at the Federation of American Scientists pointed out:
Perhaps as a result the lack of outside expert support, the DOE seems to be focusing on selling GNEP not on technical grounds but through public relations.
http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nuclear_power_and_fuel_cycle/gnep.html?formAction=297&contentId=525
Ernest Moniz is now head of the Department of Energy.
John Deutsch was CIA Director under Bill Clinton.
They're both professors at MIT.
MIT's 2003 report "The Future of Nuclear Energy" emphasized:
For the next decades, government and industry in the U.S. and elsewhere
should give priority to the deployment of the once-through fuel cycle,
rather than the development of more expensive closed fuel cycle
technology involving reprocessing and new advanced thermal or fast
reactor technologies.
http://web.mit.edu/nuclearpower/index.html
The National Academy of Sciences also gave it a big thumbs-down:
This afternoon, a committee of the National Research Council, a research arm of the National Academy of Science, issued a report that is extremely critical of the Global Nuclear Energy Partnership, or GNEP, an administration plan to restart separating plutonium from used commercial nuclear reactor fuel, something the United States has not done for three decades. I have argued that the goals of GNEP, while scientifically possible and perhaps someday economically justifiable, are decades premature. I am relieved to discover that the committee report comes to essentially the same conclusion.
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While all 17 members of the committee concluded that the GNEP R&D program, as currently planned, should not be pursued, 15 of the members said that the less-aggressive reprocessing research program that preceded the current one should be. However, if DOE returns to the earlier program, called the Advance Fuel Cycle Initiative (AFCI), it should not commit to a major demonstration or deployment of reprocessing unless there is a clear economic, national security, or environmental reason to do so.
http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2007/10/national_academy_of_science_re.php
Tom Clements of Friends of the Earth after Congress cancelled it:
http://www.aikenstandard.com/Local/0630GNEP
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)realize it was a Bush plan or I wouldn't even have mentioned that. Just reading the last excerpt "commercial reprocessing" told me everything. Oh, Bush was planning on another big contract for a multi-national friend of Republicans. I'm just curious about whether the current plan is so bad only because so many seem to think we have to do something with our current program. And if this plan is bad, what's our alternative?
bananas
(27,509 posts)She knows that Yucca Mountain is one of the worst options.
May 24, 2012
White House appoints George Mason professor to head nuclear commission
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MacFarlane trained as a geologist before carving out a niche in nuclear policy, with a special focus on nuclear waste management (see GMUs profile here). She co-edited a recent book analyzing technical questions as well as their social and political implications surrounding the proposed geologic repository at Yucca Mountain. Macfarlane was also a member of the Blue Ribbon Commission on Americas Nuclear Future, which released its final report in January outlining alternatives for managing nuclear waste (background coverage here).
Macfarlane has never shied away from challenging the viability of Yucca Mountain, but neither has she branded herself as a staunch opponent or an active advocate for a particular path forward. This helps explain the approval that came in from various quarters on Thursday, from environmental groups to lawmakers on Capitol Hill and even the industry-sponsored Nuclear Energy Institute.
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Reply #2 in that thread has a link with more info on her, including:
"She's not anti-nuclear, but she's certainly not going to take her instructions from the industry," said Frank von Hippel, a nuclear nonproliferation expert at Princeton who has written academic papers with Macfarlane.
"I've argued that the NRC has been subject to regulatory capture. Allison is certainly not captured by the industry," he said.
Her husband is Hugh Gusterson, an anthropologist who studied nuclear weapon scientists:
Hugh Gusterson is an anthropologist at George Mason University.[1] His work focuses on nuclear culture, international security and the anthropology of science. His articles have appeared in American Scientist.[2] He is a regular contributor to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.[3]
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One of the founders of the anthropology of science,[citation needed] his early work was on the culture of nuclear weapons scientists and antinuclear activists. More recently he has written on counterinsurgency in Iraq and Afghanistan.[citation needed] A leading critic of attempts to recruit anthropologists for counterinsurgency work, he is one of the founders of the Network of Concerned Anthropologists.[citation needed]
He is married to Allison MacFarlane, chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC). They have two children.
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okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)by the Republicans for budget reasons. It would likely give a lot of money to Utah (a gop stronghold) If that's the case, we need to double down on oversight. Nuclear anything is too important to become a partisan issue. I'm also interested in Mr. MacFarlane's books now. It will definitely be an interesting take on the mentality of the players. Thanks again.
indepat
(20,899 posts)social safety net to make us safer.
Owl
(3,642 posts)davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)It doesn't really make much sense, either. I get that these weapons need to be checked for security purposes - we don't want them malfunctioning and going off, do we? But to be mixing these weapons with untested parts - weapons that have been sitting around for a few decades... well, it sounds like it could potentially be a bad idea.
Sixty billion dollars for a plan that seems rather half-baked? What the heck is going on here? I'm not going to scoff at the idea of security, I know we need it, and nukes scare me bad enough that I know we need to keep them secured (better if we just got rid of them all, but that will never happen) and updated, but this seems poorly timed and not terribly well thought out.
A thought... why not use that money to help repair the credit lost by the government in the recent weeks and months? No, I'm not talking about our financial credit rating, I'm talking about whatever credit the Government has left with the American people. As in, let's help people who need food stamps to survive. Let's help people who are struggling with insurance right now. Let's help people who are homeless or who can't buy clothes. Let's focus on helping our people, especially those who are suffering.
Consider... they're spending 60 billion dollars of our money to upgrade nuclear weapons systems with a plan that even someone who has no clue about nukes can figure out is sketchy. They're doing this at a time when people are hungry. What the heck are they thinking?
The Obama administration needs to realize that the people who support it, and who have supported Obama in the past - cannot do that if they cannot survive in some relative comfort and security.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)NickB79
(19,253 posts)After Edward Teller, father of the hydrogen bomb, urged others meeting at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory to consider building and orbiting huge, new nuclear weapons for planetary protection, some top Russian weaponeers lent their support.
About the only reason I'd support keeping a few nukes around in the future.