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Omaha Steve

(99,744 posts)
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 11:08 PM Oct 2013

Train kills 2 track workers amid SF Bay strike

Source: AP-Excite

By TERRY COLLINS and TRACIE CONE

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) - A commuter train that is part of a San Francisco Bay Area system whose employees are on strike hit and killed two maintenance workers Saturday afternoon, officials said.

The accident that killed one system employee and one contractor in the East Bay city of Walnut Creek occurred shortly before 2 p.m. as the train was on a routine maintenance run operated by a manager, Bay Area Rapid Transit officials said.

"This is a tragic day in BART's history," the system's general manager, Grace Crunican, said in a statement. "The entire BART family is grieving."

BART officials said in a statement that the manager was an "experienced operator" and the four-car train was being run in automatic mode under computer control at the time of the accident.

FULL story at link.




Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20131020/DA9HIQVO0.html





With the BART transit system on strike, traffic is backed up for blocks on Battery Street leading to an artery of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge during the evening commute Friday, Oct. 18, 2013, in San Francisco. San Francisco Bay Area rapid transit workers are on strike for the second time since July, scrambling the morning commute for hundreds of thousands of workers who were up before dawn to clog highways, swarm buses and shiver on ferry decks as they found alternative ways to the office. About 400,000 riders take BART every weekday on the nation's fifth-largest commuter rail system. (AP Photo/Eric Risberg)

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Train kills 2 track workers amid SF Bay strike (Original Post) Omaha Steve Oct 2013 OP
I have feeling this is going to blow up. Ash_F Oct 2013 #1
happens to union people Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #2
the union is on strike pothos Oct 2013 #3
I bet that's what happened ailsagirl Oct 2013 #5
Probably a freak accident more than anything. joshcryer Oct 2013 #9
Epic FAIL - Management already trying to cover it up - Blaming Victims FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #10
Deaths like this are not usually 'freak' accidents Ash_F Oct 2013 #11
No, nothing freaky about it. It was caused by a no longer qualified operator Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #13
This is terrible ailsagirl Oct 2013 #4
This reminds me of the death of the man waiting for the Disneyland Mark Twain Boat ride. Kablooie Oct 2013 #6
Were they scabs? mwrguy Oct 2013 #7
Sounds like the operator was. Ash_F Oct 2013 #8
When (if ever) will these greedy SOB's dotymed Oct 2013 #12
They know, but don't give a damn... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #14
More coverage: alp227 Oct 2013 #15

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
1. I have feeling this is going to blow up.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 11:20 PM
Oct 2013

I am sorry for the killed workers. Were they not part of the union?

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
2. happens to union people
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 12:32 AM
Oct 2013

Often. ..the railroad is a dangerous place union or not the same rules and enforcement apply per the fra.

pothos

(154 posts)
3. the union is on strike
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 12:49 AM
Oct 2013

it sounds like the train was being operated by one of the managers that BART has said they will use to replace the regular union operators with. this is sort of a sad way to prove a point those people are skilled and can't just be replaced by some rando.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
9. Probably a freak accident more than anything.
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 08:35 AM
Oct 2013

These people should have had the proper training.

It's possible some strike-related mechanisms weren't in place, but it's unlikely.

More probably, it was an unfortunate, freak accident.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
10. Epic FAIL - Management already trying to cover it up - Blaming Victims
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 09:18 AM
Oct 2013
A review of BART radio communications indicate a male train operator, who sources say was an operator supervisor who regularly drove trains some two decades ago, reported a "BART emergency" to central operations, noting that the train had just struck "some individuals" and advising that they "may be BART employees."

A technician on the train is asked to check for bodies and he reports the first one on the trackway. A "second victim" is then reported 50 yards away on Track C-1.

The male train operator reports that "both are deceased and definitely BART employees."

On another recording, a woman can be heard announcing that "There are no personnel wayside (adjacent to the tracks)."

Within five seconds, a second voice can be heard contradicting that report: "Attention all personnel: We do have personnel wayside between C-40 and C-50 on the C1 and C2 tracks."


http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_24345865/bart-train-strikes-two-people-near-walnut-creek

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
11. Deaths like this are not usually 'freak' accidents
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 10:02 AM
Oct 2013

It may or may not have been related to the strike, but either someone did not follow a procedure or there is a procedure that should be changed. A person should not have a chance to randomly die in the course of performing their job on a day to day basis.

Seeing to that is one of the purposes of unions, actually.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
13. No, nothing freaky about it. It was caused by a no longer qualified operator
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 12:53 PM
Oct 2013

and compounded by a communications breakdown that may have been related to the strike.

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
6. This reminds me of the death of the man waiting for the Disneyland Mark Twain Boat ride.
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 02:54 AM
Oct 2013

The company was in a severe 'cut costs' mode due to Michael Eisner's decree that every department had to show increased profits every year, no matter what.
One way some departments cut costs was to assign supervisors to regular employee jobs to cut down on the amount of people they had to hire.

A supervisor was assigned to help dock the boat to the pier but hadn't gone through the full training for the position.
The boat is supposed to move past the dock a little bit and then slowly back up.
The ship's rope is tossed over a metal pylon on the pier to secure it as it backs up.
The supervisor tossed the rope over the pylon while the boat was going forward which ripped it out of the deck and tossed it into the waiting crowd, killing one man.

The lawsuit was settled out of court as Disney always does so no one knows what the final settlement was.

Disneyland is not under those restrictions today.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
8. Sounds like the operator was.
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 02:57 AM
Oct 2013

They may have been non-union to begin with. The operator was a part the management who came in to do the job of the the union workers.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
12. When (if ever) will these greedy SOB's
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 10:10 AM
Oct 2013

learn that trade Union members are extensively trained, OTJ and in the classroom, for years (the training in Carpentry is 4 years before you become a Journeyman with an Associates degree) and deserve living wages.

I spent 13 years as a non-Union carpenter (because I bought into the Contractor spiel about the corrupt Unions taking our money). How stupid I was.
After all of my experience ( I had been trained by the contractor run American Building Contractors and had many certifications), I tested out as a Journeyman when I joined the Union) I learned more, by attending Union certification training, in one year than the "independently" sponsored "ABC" ever taught me.
The pay, being treated as a professional, benefits, etc.. improved me and my family's standard of living greatly and I became a much better and safer carpenter.
Europe and many other countries have come to realize that a Union workforce is the best and the extra money paid to the professional workers is a great investment.

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