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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 09:35 AM Oct 2013

Congress to close down, fly Air Force planes to Florida for funeral of Rep. C.W. Bill Young

Source: The Washington Times

By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times
October 22, 2013, 07:58AM

Congress will shut down on Thursday, and leaders have told lawmakers the Defense Department will fly them to Florida for the funeral of Rep. C.W. Bill Young, who died late last week.

Mr. Young was the senior Republican in the chamber, and the move to close down business is a mark of respect for him — though it also means that there will be no floor votes and that many committee meetings have been canceled, cutting short what was already a mostly empty week. The House’s hearing examining the health exchange rollout will continue as planned, however.

After passing a deal to raise the debt ceiling and reopen government, the Senate went on an 11-day vacation. The House was slated to be in Tuesday evening through Thursday but will now just be in for a day and a half, with the chief business a vote on a public works legislation.

House officials told lawmakers to be ready to leave Washington from Joint Base Andrews early Thursday to make the funeral in Largo, Fla., and then plan to return late in the evening.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/oct/22/congress-close-florida-funeral-rep-cw-bill-young/



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Congress to close down, fly Air Force planes to Florida for funeral of Rep. C.W. Bill Young (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2013 OP
They sure don't mind wasting money, do they? The Blue Flower Oct 2013 #1
They've ALWAYS loved spending other people's money Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #26
That's their job. Igel Oct 2013 #53
It's probably cheaper. jeff47 Oct 2013 #30
N0 KIDDING!!! bobGandolf Oct 2013 #42
This is simply scandalous. Who had the authority to spend this taxpayer money? Change that! Coyotl Oct 2013 #2
Congress. jeff47 Oct 2013 #31
Last night a "friend" of mine went on a rant about the President wasting money Papagoose Oct 2013 #3
Next time, tell him that room and board is part of any President's contract. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #4
Board isn't jmowreader Oct 2013 #40
Thanks, I learned something. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #48
He's been reading too many chain emails. Lasher Oct 2013 #27
The President pays for his common expenses, even in the White House residence. dballance Oct 2013 #28
The chain email was probably referring to the cost of security services for the first family. Not okaawhatever Oct 2013 #44
I bet he doesn't often pay when he goes out to eat... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #52
How many of them took the day off or asked the Pentagon to fly them Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #5
Probably none, given that congress wasn't in session at the time hughee99 Oct 2013 #19
They were flown to Lautenberg's funeral former9thward Oct 2013 #22
I stand corrected. n/t hughee99 Oct 2013 #23
I think it is a waste but small potatoes given everything else. former9thward Oct 2013 #25
Lavish Lives of those who say we are so broke we have to cut Grandma's food Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #6
Shoe's on the other foot SpankMe Oct 2013 #7
I've got to be in Largo tommorow for a Computer customer...which means I'll have to.. BlueJazz Oct 2013 #8
What? the dude's a republican, why bother? gopiscrap Oct 2013 #9
Bet they won't close down for Tom Foley's funeral. gopiscrap Oct 2013 #10
But they would have if he'd died in office. 24601 Oct 2013 #60
Also, I won't click on any Washington Times link. SpankMe Oct 2013 #11
hard to believe the Washington Times reported this. mountain grammy Oct 2013 #12
Are they fucking KIDDING me? TwilightGardener Oct 2013 #13
They should do the same for Tom Foley! lastlib Oct 2013 #14
Damn right, at LEAST! elleng Oct 2013 #16
Hey, why NOT go to Florida, guys? elleng Oct 2013 #15
How much can it be? $300 RT to fly from DC to FL? riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #17
They're reimbursed for official travel. jeff47 Oct 2013 #32
Amtrak round trip $312................ mrmpa Oct 2013 #56
From the Washingto Post avebury Oct 2013 #18
OK, it's fair if it was used before for Lautenberg and Inouye--BUT still...they can't pay their own TwilightGardener Oct 2013 #20
It would be considered official business jeff47 Oct 2013 #33
they make the rules demigoddess Oct 2013 #55
Whew. It's been awhile since they had a vacation day Doctor_J Oct 2013 #21
It would have been cheaper to fly avebury Oct 2013 #24
He died in a Washington DC-area hospital - Bethesda, I believe. No Vested Interest Oct 2013 #36
Well heck, they could have just had a memorial service in DC avebury Oct 2013 #49
I presume it was a family decision, not the RNC. No Vested Interest Oct 2013 #50
Talk about your "entitlements" randr Oct 2013 #29
ONE WOULD THINK THAT THE LAST DAYS OF EMPIRE WERE drynberg Oct 2013 #34
What happens if one plane crashes ? nt jakeXT Oct 2013 #35
Don't go there. nt No Vested Interest Oct 2013 #37
It would be the one carrying the minority leadership.... sofa king Oct 2013 #39
If it's the plane Boehner is on, Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #43
Security is another reason I support the use of military aircraft. Would you want to take a flight okaawhatever Oct 2013 #45
Should be a productive day in Washington liberal N proud Oct 2013 #38
Flying them down in Chinooks is probably too much to ask jmowreader Oct 2013 #41
I would think that a security risk. If they fly 130's it will not be a comfortable flight. nt okaawhatever Oct 2013 #46
Less money for fuel, too jmowreader Oct 2013 #54
LOL. Yeah, rig a parachute to the back and LAPES drop that thing from a 130. I say, a greyhound bus okaawhatever Oct 2013 #57
Not quite jmowreader Oct 2013 #59
Do people remember how the ultimate fall out from the budget shutdown in the 90's came because Newt okaawhatever Oct 2013 #47
It's an excuse for an all-expense-paid vacation in Florida. factsarenotfair Oct 2013 #51
They'll have to provide at least two planes.... ReRe Oct 2013 #58

The Blue Flower

(5,442 posts)
1. They sure don't mind wasting money, do they?
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 09:40 AM
Oct 2013

After a $24B shutdown, you think they'd actually try to look like they're working.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
53. That's their job.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 09:04 PM
Oct 2013

They spend very little of their own money in passing legislation and in budgeting.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
30. It's probably cheaper.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 12:24 PM
Oct 2013

I know for business travel, it's cheaper to charter a plane when about 3 people are flying from and to the same place. Refundable/changeable tickets are much more expensive than the ones we buy for ourselves for vacations.

So I'd expect it to cost less for the DoD to fly a bunch of them on one plane than for each of them to buy a commercial ticket (which would be reimbursed)

bobGandolf

(871 posts)
42. N0 KIDDING!!!
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 03:46 PM
Oct 2013

Pisses me off seeing food stamp cutbacks coming in November, but they don't blink an eye when it comes to spending it on themselves.

Just irritates the hell out of me to hear the repugs badmouthing food stamp recipients as lazy cheaters, living high on the hog robbing the taxpayers. Truth is, that description fits Congress perfectly.

NOBODY SHOULD FEEL ASHAMED OR EMBARRASSED IF THEY NEED TO USE FOOD STAMPS!!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
31. Congress.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 12:28 PM
Oct 2013

They're the ones who get to decide how to spend taxpayer money.

If you'd prefer, we could spend more money buying them commercial tickets instead. They are reimbursed for official travel.

Papagoose

(428 posts)
3. Last night a "friend" of mine went on a rant about the President wasting money
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:05 AM
Oct 2013

He was outraged, OUTRAGED I tell you, that the President and his wife went out for dinner on the taxpayers' dime. Wonder if he'll be outraged by this?

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
4. Next time, tell him that room and board is part of any President's contract.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:13 AM
Oct 2013

He should advocate that every worker get the same benefit.

On second thought, that would likely piss him off.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
40. Board isn't
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 03:22 PM
Oct 2013

When Bankruptin' Ronnie was president, Nancy was aghast when she got her first bill for dining services. The White House serves five-star cuisine, and charges accordingly.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
28. The President pays for his common expenses, even in the White House residence.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 12:01 PM
Oct 2013

The President may get a place to live but he and his family don't get free meals as part of the deal. The President pays for all common expenses like food, decor and such in the residence. If he and Mrs. Obama go out to dinner the Obamas pay the dinner tab - not the taxpayers. That's just more right-wing foolishness that they never seemed to have an issue with when a Republican is in office.

Also, I believe if they fly somewhere for personal, rather then official business they have to pay a standard airfare for that. I know that doesn't come close to covering the cost of Air Force one but it's something. Not totally sure about this but I'll google to see if I can find confirmation.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
44. The chain email was probably referring to the cost of security services for the first family. Not
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 03:53 PM
Oct 2013

taking into consideration of course that these people would have been paid regardless. Maybe the gas for the limo was an extra expense.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
52. I bet he doesn't often pay when he goes out to eat...
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 07:25 PM
Oct 2013

if I owned a restaraunt and he and the wife came in, they would not be billed. How cool is it to say that the president eats at your place? It is like free publicity.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
19. Probably none, given that congress wasn't in session at the time
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:28 AM
Oct 2013

and he was buried in Arlington National Cemetery.

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
22. They were flown to Lautenberg's funeral
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:40 AM
Oct 2013
Military aircraft was also used in recent months to transport lawmakers to the funerals of Sens. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) and Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/10/22/rules-on-congressional-military-flights-waived-for-bill-young-funeral/
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. Lavish Lives of those who say we are so broke we have to cut Grandma's food
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:21 AM
Oct 2013

budget. The hypocrisy is beyond comprehension.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
7. Shoe's on the other foot
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:21 AM
Oct 2013

Remember the kerfuffle over Nancy Pelosi's Air Force jet when she was Speaker? (Some Repubs claimed she ordered an extravagant military 757 for her personal use, when in fact it was a generic request from the House Sargent at Arms to the military to provide an airplane for her that could go from DC to SFO without refueling - for security reasons. The military provided a 757, which Pelosi refused to use because it was too expensive. But, that didn't stop Repubs from having an aneurysm over the fact that she was "living an extravagant lifestyle at taxpayer's expense".)

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/nancy-pelosis-personal-jet/

And, remember Obama's trip to India where the conservative asses went viral with assertions that it would cost $200M/day for his security?

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/11/obamas-india-trip----not-as-expensive-as-you-may-have-heard/1#.UmaJGnBvNCo

When I Googled the Obama India trip just now, a whole bunch of conservative web sites came up with this story highlighted - with no corrections or backtracking about it being a mistake by orders of magnitude. There are people out there who still believe this.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
8. I've got to be in Largo tommorow for a Computer customer...which means I'll have to..
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:23 AM
Oct 2013

...bring a few cans of Febreze to ward off the stench.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
11. Also, I won't click on any Washington Times link.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:26 AM
Oct 2013

I Googled this story to see if there was another source I could go to for the story, but the only web sites covering it right now (0725 hrs, PDT, 10-22-13) are whack-a-fuck conservative web sites. No lib or mainstream coverage.

And all of these are just pointing to the Washington Times story.

This is odd.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
17. How much can it be? $300 RT to fly from DC to FL?
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:08 AM
Oct 2013

Really? They can't afford to simply pay their own way?

There have been plenty of people I've admired and loved, whose funerals I couldn't attend because I couldn't afford the airfare yet these MILLIONAIRES want the taxpayers to fund their trip to a friend's funeral?

I'd love to see how many Tea Baggers get on that plane...

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
32. They're reimbursed for official travel.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 12:32 PM
Oct 2013

So they wouldn't be paying their own way in either case.

With the short notice, you're not talking about that $300 ticket - it requires a lead time. You're probably talking about a full fare ticket, which is going to be around $1k each.

I strongly suspect it will cost us less for the DoD to fly them, since it's a large number flying from and to the same locations on the same schedule.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
18. From the Washingto Post
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:21 AM
Oct 2013

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/10/22/rules-on-congressional-military-flights-waived-for-bill-young-funeral/

Rules on congressional military flights waived for Bill Young funeral

Lawmakers planning to attend the funeral of Rep. C. W. "Bill" Young (R-Fla.) will be able to fly to the Sunshine State aboard U.S. military aircraft -- an exception to an austerity-era rule restricting congressional use of government aircraft.

The office of House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) is arranging for a flight Thursday from Andrews Air Force Base to Florida to attend Young's funeral, with the aircraft scheduled to return Thursday evening, according to House aides. The decision comes even though Boehner earlier this year put in place rules requiring House lawmakers to seek permission from Boehner to use military aircraft on overseas trips, including trips to visit U.S. military service members in Iraq and Afghanistan, because of automatic budget cuts, known as sequestration.

In March Boehner required the House delegation attending the installation mass for Pope Francis to fly on a commercial aircraft to Rome.

So why the exception for Young? Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said in an e-mail that "Given Rep. Young's long and distinguished service to his Congressional district, and especially to the men and women of our Armed Forces, the rule against military aircraft is waived for his funeral."

Young was a longtime member of the House Appropriations Committee especially concerned with military spending.

No word yet from Boehner's office on how many lawmakers plan to attend -- but House GOP leaders cancelled plans to hold votes Thursday in order to permit lawmakers to attend the Young funeral.

Military aircraft was also used in recent months to transport lawmakers to the funerals of Sens. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) and Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii).

Cost estimates for congressional military flights vary -- the Pentagon doesn't provide hard numbers -- with some academics estimating that the flights cost roughly $10,000 per hour. An investigation by a Florida newspaper this year found that at least 172 House lawmakers spent more than $1.5 million in 2012 visiting more than 90 countries on private commercial aircraft.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
20. OK, it's fair if it was used before for Lautenberg and Inouye--BUT still...they can't pay their own
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:34 AM
Oct 2013

way? It's NOT official business.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
33. It would be considered official business
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 12:35 PM
Oct 2013

They aren't attending the funeral because he was an old friend. They're attending because of his position in Congress.

(And, they literally are the ones who write the rules on what is official business)

avebury

(10,952 posts)
24. It would have been cheaper to fly
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:43 AM
Oct 2013

they guy to Washington D.C., maybe let him lie in state a day or so, have the funeral and ship him back to Florida.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
49. Well heck, they could have just had a memorial service in DC
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 06:09 PM
Oct 2013

and then shipped him home. Typical Republican methodology of only wasting as much money as possible.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
39. It would be the one carrying the minority leadership....
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 03:19 PM
Oct 2013

...and it would crash into Terry McAuliffe's house.

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
43. If it's the plane Boehner is on,
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 03:50 PM
Oct 2013

a lot of bottles of liquor will be destroyed along with several cartons of cigarettes.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
45. Security is another reason I support the use of military aircraft. Would you want to take a flight
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 04:03 PM
Oct 2013

with one hundred congresspeople on board? A flight to Florida is especially problematic. All one would need is a ground to air missile and a boat. That's an Al-Qaeda wet dream there folks. A commercial airliner probably wouldn't want the brain damage.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
57. LOL. Yeah, rig a parachute to the back and LAPES drop that thing from a 130. I say, a greyhound bus
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 12:08 AM
Oct 2013

for the tea party caucus. Show them what less government buys you.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
59. Not quite
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 05:16 AM
Oct 2013

I was thinking more on the lines of packing the trailer with congressmen like a can of sardines, hooking an M-915 to it and heading south on 95.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
47. Do people remember how the ultimate fall out from the budget shutdown in the 90's came because Newt
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 04:06 PM
Oct 2013

Gingrich complained about he President making him exit from the rear of AF1 when they traveled to Israel for a state funeral? He also complained that the President didn't talk to him during that time? Let's see if some neo-con can't screw this trip up somehow and achieve similar results in the next election. It is kinda deja vu all over again.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
58. They'll have to provide at least two planes....
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 02:38 AM
Oct 2013

... because it really wouldn't be safe to fill a plane with Dems and Repukliklans.

They don't do this when a President dies, do they? I know the Rep Young was a long-time MIC activist, but isn't this a bit overkill?

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