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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 06:33 PM Oct 2013

Aaron's agrees to stop spying on computer renters

Source: Los Angeles Times

Aaron’s Inc., a rent-to-own retailer, has agreed to stop using software to secretly spy on and photograph customers who rented computers.

The Federal Trade Commission had accused Aaron's and its franchisees of using software to monitor customers' computer keystrokes and secretly watch them in their homes through the computers' webcams.

In some instances, the company captured images of customers engaged in what the FTC called "intimate activities."

The Atlanta company, which operates about 1,800 U.S. stores including dozens in California, agreed to stop the monitoring in a settlement with the FTC.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-aarons-rent-to-own-computers-spyware-software-customers-20131022,0,5091216.story

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Aaron's agrees to stop spying on computer renters (Original Post) Newsjock Oct 2013 OP
This is why I am so amazed at the complacency of the American people... Swede Atlanta Oct 2013 #1
Agree 100%. cui bono Oct 2013 #2
Privacy fears? someone else Oct 2013 #9
a russian model once told me PatrynXX Oct 2013 #21
They actually had the nerve to spy on renters? Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #3
Rent to own is a scam from the get go. Lint Head Oct 2013 #4
+1 hibbing Oct 2013 #5
WE went through rent a center once.... ejpoeta Oct 2013 #27
Yes it is. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #6
"Aaron's shares were up 57 cents, or 2%, to $28.86 in midsession trading." tomm2thumbs Oct 2013 #7
I love how all that happens to them is they agree to stop doing it Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #8
Yep. You'd likely be facing federal felonies up the ass. Funny how that works, isn't it? Poll_Blind Oct 2013 #17
Yeah, why don't carbon-based persons get a "do-over" or two, like the other persons? n/t Beartracks Oct 2013 #20
You'd be flagged as a sex offender and never work again. AAO Oct 2013 #30
'Good Germans' have nothing to fear. PeoViejo Oct 2013 #10
+1 lunasun Oct 2013 #18
How does no one get to go to prison over this? marble falls Oct 2013 #11
because corporations are only people when it is convenient for them. olddad56 Oct 2013 #13
Not checking the "opt out" tickybox or other EULA bullshit, mainly. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2013 #14
Aaron's was caught doing this in 2010 and 2011 - is this a new case? groundloop Oct 2013 #12
Isn't peeping Tom-ism a crime? Since corporations are people ... JEFF9K Oct 2013 #15
In a sane society, these assholes would be in prison. 20score Oct 2013 #16
tracking device? snooper2 Oct 2013 #19
Damn Solly Mack Oct 2013 #22
Okay maybe I'm just naive... Mojo Electro Oct 2013 #23
im surprised it wasnt in the contract iamthebandfanman Oct 2013 #24
Those crack me up too. Mojo Electro Oct 2013 #35
The people who did this... Hubert Flottz Oct 2013 #25
This is why I have a band aid over my camera on my smart tv. bravenak Oct 2013 #26
Good, fucking business and capitalism is out of control!!! gopiscrap Oct 2013 #28
The software used to spy on people through their dotymed Oct 2013 #29
Already memed..... DeSwiss Oct 2013 #32
A gun isn't necessarily illegal either Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #34
Americans are an easily manipulated people if a predatory place like Aaron's can exist. hunter Oct 2013 #31
In fascism, ''corporate persons'' can do no wrong. DeSwiss Oct 2013 #33
 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
1. This is why I am so amazed at the complacency of the American people...
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 06:46 PM
Oct 2013

We have absolutely no privacy legislation at all. The only avenues we have for recourse are violations of companies' privacy policies and those are small civil claims.

What we need is comprehensive privacy legislation both with respect to private parties but as well a restoration of our protection from unlawful searches and seizures by our own government. Oh wait, everyone says if you don't have anything to hide then who cares if the government spies on you in your postal mail, your home, your computer, your television, etc.

someone else

(55 posts)
9. Privacy fears?
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 07:43 PM
Oct 2013

Big gov't ain't got nothing on big business. Glad I'm in my 60's, but I fear what my kids, grandkids will face.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
21. a russian model once told me
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 12:16 AM
Oct 2013

always put tape over the built in webcam on your laptop. sometimes I wonder if she's right..

hibbing

(10,098 posts)
5. +1
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 07:16 PM
Oct 2013

Those places are one of the biggest scams around. Just how much do the piece of crap computers they were hawking at rent to own prices end up costing if one pays the whole way through to owning it? At least about three times retail I would guess.

Peace

ejpoeta

(8,933 posts)
27. WE went through rent a center once....
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:50 AM
Oct 2013

a tv, 'entertainment center', stereo and vcr. Bob had to fix the vcr. They were USED.... had we paid til it was done we would have paid $3000 for this set. At tax time we went out and bought an entertainment center.... a nice one.... a tv, a vcr, stereo AND a camcorder for under $1000. these folks prey on the poor. Another way poor people end up paying more for everything. We never would have been able to get credit at that point.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
6. Yes it is.
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 07:18 PM
Oct 2013

Back in 2003 I rented/purchased a computer from rent a center. I ended up paying literally 4 times the price of the computer if I had bought it in a regular store.

What a fucking rip off!! Never again.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
7. "Aaron's shares were up 57 cents, or 2%, to $28.86 in midsession trading."
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 07:22 PM
Oct 2013

WTF ?

They should be slammed with class-action and other lawsuits so fast it will make their 70's era barstools spin.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
8. I love how all that happens to them is they agree to stop doing it
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 07:36 PM
Oct 2013

If I illegally filmed two people in "intimate activities" in the privacy of their own home, I would go to jail, and for a long time too.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
17. Yep. You'd likely be facing federal felonies up the ass. Funny how that works, isn't it?
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 10:09 PM
Oct 2013

It's insane.

PB

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
15. Isn't peeping Tom-ism a crime? Since corporations are people ...
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 09:00 PM
Oct 2013

... shouldn't the company be charged? Maybe as a sexual predator? Should there stores be prohibited from locating near schools?

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
24. im surprised it wasnt in the contract
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 02:59 AM
Oct 2013

that people rarely read :p


most people sign or click without reading statements unfortunately

so we voluntarily give up our rights


its like people on Facebook who post those rants about 'I don't give permission to use anything on my page'... uh, yeah ya did.. ya did when ya clicked on 'I agree' when ya signed up. my favs are the ones telling government or law enforcement they have no right to look at or use anything on their page against them... lol... riiiiiiight...
:p

Mojo Electro

(362 posts)
35. Those crack me up too.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 01:02 PM
Oct 2013

Like the govt would be like "Whoah, hold on boys. This here says we can't look at any of this, we'd better call it a day."

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
26. This is why I have a band aid over my camera on my smart tv.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 05:03 AM
Oct 2013

I don't trust it. And it can hear me, and sometimes respond to my requests , and sometimes just goes mute randomly. It hates me. I call it Christine. It loves my husband though. Does whatever he says. I wonder sometimes if there is a human on the other end messing with me. At least they can't see me have sex in the living room. That is some outrageous shit. Never rent to own!!!!!

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
29. The software used to spy on people through their
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 08:15 AM
Oct 2013

webcam is not illegal.
I have been told that the NSA also uses this software. As I understand it, your computer doesn't even need to be
powered on for them to use your webcam to spy on you.
Yes, I have also been instructed (by my computer guy, who sold me this computer, to cover the webcam when not in use.
This is not a CT.
The software for spying on us is on the open market. Who is naïve enough to believe the NSA does not use it?

They can also control, upload/ download whatever they want from your computer.
Ever have (or seen the commercial for) your computer remotely "fixed" by allowing the company tech to remotely take-over the use of
your computer?
It is a simple program that IT people use often.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
34. A gun isn't necessarily illegal either
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 12:18 PM
Oct 2013

But if you use it to shoot somebody, then it's a crime. If you use legal software to commit crimes, then it's a crime.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
31. Americans are an easily manipulated people if a predatory place like Aaron's can exist.
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:53 AM
Oct 2013

Renting a computer or a television or cheap furniture doesn't make any sense to me.

Some things I have the skills to make much nicer than anything I could buy ready-made, certainly better than anything Aaron's rents. My computers are salvage. My car has a salvage title. My computers work exactly the way I want them to work, all set up using open source software. There's nothing on them that I didn't put there.

I learned how to "make-do or do without" as a kid. Sometimes our family was poor, but as kids we were never hungry or insecure in our persons. It wasn't a big deal if our family went months without television. (I later learned how to repair televisions.)

Some kind of resilience or resourcefulness and wariness about credit scams is something that should be taught in school if kids are not learning it at home, along with cooking from scratch, sewing, minor household repairs, gardening, etc.; both boys and girls.

I suspect I know why it isn't done: it goes against the corporate consumer model that is so profitable for the very wealthy, the one where the only way to satisfy one's needs and desires (largely desires generated by advertising) is to buy or rent something relentlessly advertised and shiny.

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