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kpete

(71,997 posts)
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 07:46 PM Oct 2013

Arctic Temperatures Highest in at Least 44,000 Years

Source: Live Science


Arctic Temperatures Highest in at Least 44,000 Years
By Douglas Main, Staff Writer | October 24, 2013 11:13am ET

Plenty of studies have shown that the Arctic is warming and that the ice caps are melting, but how does it compare to the past, and how serious is it?

New research shows that average summer temperatures in the Canadian Arctic over the last century are the highest in the last 44,000 years, and perhaps the highest in 120,000 years.

"The key piece here is just how unprecedented the warming of Arctic Canada is," Gifford Miller, a researcher at the University of Colorado, Boulder, said in a joint statement from the school and the publisher of the journal Geophysical Researcher Letters, in which the study by Miller and his colleagues was published online this week.

"This study really says the warming we are seeing is outside any kind of known natural variability, and it has to be due to increased greenhouse gases in the atmosphere."

Read more: http://www.livescience.com/40676-arctic-temperatures-record-high.html

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Arctic Temperatures Highest in at Least 44,000 Years (Original Post) kpete Oct 2013 OP
I watched "Chasing Ice" last weekend riverwalker Oct 2013 #1
LIES! Straight from the pit of hell!! Moostache Oct 2013 #2
that's like 38,000 years before Adam rode his stegasaurus through Eden Doctor_J Oct 2013 #3
Nonsense! Edim Oct 2013 #4
Your graph only goes up to 1905 - 95 years before 2000 muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #5
Well, Edim Oct 2013 #6
Here's the paper you linked: muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #8
From the Abstract: Edim Oct 2013 #9
No, you're wrong. You are making too many things up muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #11
Warmer early Holocene is enough for my point. Edim Oct 2013 #13
More Arctic graphs here Edim Oct 2013 #7
Another denier website? NickB79 Oct 2013 #12
Another paper: Edim Oct 2013 #10

Edim

(300 posts)
4. Nonsense!
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 08:43 AM
Oct 2013

For the most part of this interglacial, the Holocene, it was warmer than today. The period known as the Little Ice Age (LIA) is the coldest Holocene period. Even the ~1930s/40s were probably warmer than today.


http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/robock/MillerArctic.pdf

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
5. Your graph only goes up to 1905 - 95 years before 2000
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:02 AM
Oct 2013

Look at the temperature records for places in Greenland and you see they've gone up between 2 and 4 degrees C since then.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=431042100000&dt=1&ds=14
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=431042500000&dt=1&ds=14
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/show_station.cgi?id=431043600000&dt=1&ds=14

That takes Greenland temperatures up into the highest peaks in your graph, or beyond them. But 'openyoureyesnews.com' is a denier website anyway, so it's not surprising it puts up useless graphs. Glad to see it's closing down.

Edim

(300 posts)
6. Well,
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:20 AM
Oct 2013

your graphs show that it was roughly as warm in the 1930s/40s as it's today. Regarding the Greenland ice core records, the graph is everywhere and the original source is not a 'denier website'.

Read the paper I linked. Most of the Holocene is warmer than today.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
8. Here's the paper you linked:
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:38 AM
Oct 2013
13. Placing 20th century Arctic warming in a millennial
perspective

Much scientific effort has been devoted to learning how 20th
and 21st century warmth compares with warmth during earlier
times (e.g., National Research Council, 2006; Jansen et al., 2007).
Owing to the orbital changes affecting midsummer insolation
(a drop in June insolation of about 1Wm2 at 75 N. and 2Wm2 at
90 N during the last millennium; Berger and Loutre, 1991), additional
forcing was needed in the 20th century to give the same
summertime temperatures as achieved in the Medieval Warm
Period.

Thin, cold ice caps in the eastern Canadian Arctic preserve intact
vegetation beneath them that was killed by the expanding ice. As
these ice caps melt, they expose this dead vegetation, which can be
dated by radiocarbon with a precision of a few decades. A recent
compilation of more than 50 radiocarbon dates on dead vegetation
emerging from beneath thin ice caps on northern Baffin Island
shows that some ice caps formed more than 1600 years ago and
persisted through Medieval times before melting early in the 21st
century (Anderson et al., 2008).

Records of the melting from ice caps offer another view by
which 20th century warmth can be placed in a millennial
perspective. The most detailed record comes from the Agassiz Ice
Cap in the Canadian High Arctic, for which the percentage of
summer melting of each season’s snowfall is reconstructed for the
past 10 ka (Fisher and Koerner, 2003). The percent of melt follows
the general trend of decreasing summer insolation from orbital
changes, but some brief departures are substantial. Of particular
note is the significant increase in melt percentage during the past
century; current percentages are greater than any other melt
intensity since at least 1700 years ago, and melting is greater than
in any sustained interval since 5e4 ka ago.

As reviewed by Smol and Douglas (2007b), changes in lake
sediments and their biota record climatic and other changes in the
lakes. Extensive changes especially in the post-1850 interval are
most easily interpreted in terms of warming above the Medieval
warmth on Ellesmere Island and probably in other regions,
although explanations have been debated and explored (also see
Douglas et al., 1994; Douglas, 2007; Smol et al., 2005; Smol and
Douglas, 2007a,b). D’Arrigo et al. (2006) show tree-ring evidence
from a few North American and Eurasian sites that imply that
summers were cooler in the MedievalWarm Period than in the late
20th century, although the statistical confidence is weak. Tree-ring
and treeline studies in western Siberia (Esper and Schweingruber,
2004) and Alaska (Jacoby and RD’Arrigo, 1995) suggest that
warming since 1970 has been optimal for tree growth and follows
a circumpolar trend. Hantemirov and Shiyatov (2002) have records
from the Yamal Peninsula, Russia, well north of the Arctic Circle,
that show how summer temperatures of recent decades are the
most favorable for tree growth within the past 4 ka.

The National Research Council (2006; p. 3) evaluated the
available published data on globally and hemispherically averaged
temperatures for the last millennium, and found that “Presently
available proxy evidence indicates that temperatures at many, but
not all, individual locations were higher during the past 25 years
than during any period of comparable length since A.D. 900”.
Greater uncertainties for hemispheric or global reconstructions
were identified in assessing older comparisons.

Although high-resolution records of the past millennium in the
Arctic are rare, 14 new Arctic lake-sediment records were recently
published in a dedicated issue of the Journal of Paleolimnology
(2009, v.41-1). Six of these records extend back at least 1 ka at
decadal resolution. These six records were combined with an
additional 17 published records from lakes, ice, and trees to
reconstruct summer temperature for the Arctic for the past 2 ka
that could be compared with climate-model simulations (Kaufman
et al., 2009). The combination of data and models indicate that the
first-order cooling trend dominating most of the past 2 ka is linked
to decreasing summer insolation from orbital factors, and that this
trend was reversed during the 20th Century, despite continued
reduction of summer insolation across the Arctic. The warmest 50-
year interval in the 2 ka composite record occurred between 1950
and 2000 AD.


And from the conclusion:

Within the Holocene the general decreases in summer temperatures have
been driven by precession, with modulations to the cooling trend
resulting from changes in the frequency of sulfur-rich explosive
volcanic eruptions, and to small changes in solar luminosity. The
strong warming trend of the past century across the Arctic, and of
the past 50 years in particular, stands in stark contrast to the firstorder
Holocene cooling trend, and is very likely a result of increased
greenhouse gases that are a direct consequence of anthropogenic
activities.


It's a 'denier website' that publicised the graph (plotted by a now-deceased denier, David Lappi), and deniers, like the site you took it from, who ignore that it only goes up to 1905.

We have seen it here before: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x233629

Edim

(300 posts)
9. From the Abstract:
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:59 AM
Oct 2013

"The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1 - 3 C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present."

But still smaller.

Another paper:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379103002956

From all the evidence, it's clearly nonsense that the "Arctic temperatures are highest in at least 44,000 years" - they were for sure higher during the Holocene maximum and very likely higher for the most part of Holocene (before the LIA onset).

Regarding the Greenland graph, of course it only goes up to 1905, so what?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
11. No, you're wrong. You are making too many things up
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 11:00 AM
Oct 2013

"From all the evidence, it's clearly nonsense" - no, the evidence in the new paper shows it is now warmer.

From post #6: "Most of the Holocene is warmer than today." No. The 2010 paper said the early Holocene was warmer, not 'most'; the 2004 paper points to peaks lasting about 2000 years, in different places. The 2001 paper only looks at one site for the most recent 1250 years, and is not relevant. This is new evidence; if you're going to put your hands over your ears and shout "la, la, I'm not listening to anything that contradicts the decision I made some time ago", then you're not worth including in the conversation.

"it only goes up to 1905, so what?"

Because we're talking about 20th and 21st century temperatures. Duh. You didn't try to show what had happened in the last 100 years.

Edim

(300 posts)
13. Warmer early Holocene is enough for my point.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:39 AM
Oct 2013

The graphs you linked show what had happened in the last 100 years - the 1930s/40s were as warm as today.

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
12. Another denier website?
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 01:15 PM
Oct 2013
This is, however, a situation that should not continue much longer, as it confuses and disillusionates political decision-makers and the general public about the value of so-called ‘climate experts’.

snip

Preparing for warming only may not be entirely prudent. After all, modern climate change may just be a continuation of ever lasting natural rhythms of climate change.


Which is discredited by approximately 95% of the climate research community.

Nice try, but you're not doing a good job of hiding your prerogative.
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