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alp227

(32,026 posts)
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:41 PM Oct 2013

ACLU asks Vikings, Minnesotans to avoid 'Redskins' name

Source: St. Paul Pioneer Press

Opponents of the "Redskins" NFL team name laid out their concerns Thursday in a meeting with officials from the public authority overseeing construction of the new Minnesota Vikings stadium, and the authority is expected to take up the issue at its meeting Friday morning.

The Washington, D.C., team is scheduled to play the Vikings in a Thursday night game Nov. 7 at the Metrodome.

The American Indian Movement is arguing the term "Redskins" should not be used in connection with a game being played in a public facility, said movement national director Clyde Bellecourt. "We're saying that the 'r' word is no different than the 'n' word," he said. Seeing derogatory logos and hearing vicious taunts from fans "has a tremendous psychological effect on our children," Bellecourt said.

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"The name, logo and mascot are racist imagery that does not honor anyone, but instead perpetuate stereotypes that are particularly hurtful and offensive given the history of forced assimilation and brutality that Native Americans were forced to endure in Minnesota and throughout the country," ACLU-MN executive director Charles Samuelson said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_24379470/aclu-asks-vikings-minnesotans-avoid-redskins-name-upcoming



I'm sure this is another one of those places where a lot of us may disagree with ACLU, such as the ACLU defending NAMBLA or the Nazis at Skokie.
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ACLU asks Vikings, Minnesotans to avoid 'Redskins' name (Original Post) alp227 Oct 2013 OP
The name is patently offensive and should have been dropped two decades ago. Scuba Oct 2013 #1
I agree, pressure needs to be put on the NFL and Synder to change it davidpdx Oct 2013 #18
Snyder can't even be bothered to hire an offensive line to protect his star QBs Recursion Oct 2013 #27
That's a shame because he's got a damn good quarterback davidpdx Oct 2013 #30
Attacks on people who want to remove the racist name "Redskins" ... zbdent Oct 2013 #2
Sports still has the Blue Devils ChazII Oct 2013 #24
The Oconto Blue Devils warrant46 Oct 2013 #33
Devils are not people. They are a mythical construct. nt Ace Acme Oct 2013 #36
The devils weren't the ones complaining ... zbdent Oct 2013 #41
Proof that the racism is still there Ash_F Nov 2013 #44
I really don't care what a bunch of white people think Travis_0004 Oct 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Bjorn Against Oct 2013 #11
I don't believe it's factually true . . . MrModerate Oct 2013 #4
They don't play in Fenway anymore Recursion Oct 2013 #28
Just change the color from red to any other cosmicone Oct 2013 #5
Is "fore" a color? phleshdef Oct 2013 #15
Actually allow me to revise that... phleshdef Oct 2013 #16
That is awesome. n/t whopis01 Nov 2013 #42
My local Div. I college basketball team ... bobclark86 Oct 2013 #22
The new name "Red Wolves" just us Oct 2013 #6
Simple: The Washington Rednecks! dogknob Oct 2013 #7
Like this? cosmicone Oct 2013 #31
Hey Nice Mullet warrant46 Oct 2013 #34
I read that the 'Redskin' owners...... missingfink Oct 2013 #8
The Onion's article also threw a few ethnic insults at the owner of the team as well dflprincess Oct 2013 #10
If only ONE Indian is offended by it, then.... ReRe Oct 2013 #9
If removed the name of everything ONE person is offended by, nothing would be named n/t Kurska Oct 2013 #14
We're talking team names here.... ReRe Oct 2013 #20
How about changing it to the "Native Americans"? ErikJ Oct 2013 #12
The owner is in his rights lancer78 Oct 2013 #13
On a similar note, the state of Indiana will change its name to 'Native Americana' LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2013 #17
"Indian" is Politically Correct Ace Acme Oct 2013 #25
Exactly Francois Jeopardy Oct 2013 #37
Why is this even an issue? bossy22 Oct 2013 #19
"These people need to find hobbies"? blue neen Oct 2013 #21
I was going to go with... bobclark86 Oct 2013 #23
MIke Lukovich Nails it Too Ace Acme Oct 2013 #26
If "Redskins" is OK, why isn't the Minnesota team called the "Squareheads"? eridani Oct 2013 #29
Umm, "Redskins" is not "Indians" Ace Acme Oct 2013 #35
Indians is OK for Cleveland IMO, but only if they get rid of that disgusting eridani Oct 2013 #39
No, Clyde Bellecourt and his handful of followers are offended. Most Indians, not so much. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #43
Hell, at this point I don't even want to talk about the Vikings... Thor_MN Oct 2013 #32
The Washington Washingtons Francois Jeopardy Oct 2013 #38
The Washington Losers nt Ace Acme Oct 2013 #40

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
18. I agree, pressure needs to be put on the NFL and Synder to change it
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 11:39 PM
Oct 2013

Complaints about them playing in public stadiums though won't do much. Public opinion and public pressure are needed on a larger scale if the change is going to be made.

The proposed idea of changing it to Redtails is interesting.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
27. Snyder can't even be bothered to hire an offensive line to protect his star QBs
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:58 AM
Oct 2013

Unfortunately I fear he's a perfect fit for the shoes of George Preston Marshall.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
30. That's a shame because he's got a damn good quarterback
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:55 AM
Oct 2013

A lot of good he will do if he's roadrash on the field.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
2. Attacks on people who want to remove the racist name "Redskins" ...
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:48 PM
Oct 2013

and yet, nobody so much as even shrugged when Tampa Bay dropped the word "Devil" from the (now) Tampa Bay Rays ...

Guess there's selective acceptance of "outrage", right? When it's the "acceptable religion" getting "outraged", then it's okay, right?

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
44. Proof that the racism is still there
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:22 PM
Nov 2013

They are mad because they want to continue to express their racist superiority in any way possible, even if it is in a small way.

Real people have suffered at the hands of White midwesterners racist attitudes. They are still feeling the effects to this day. The devil may be very offensive concept, but people were really killed and starved then branded with that slur.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
3. I really don't care what a bunch of white people think
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 08:52 PM
Oct 2013

I'm more concerned about the opinions on Native Americans. I could cite a 2004 poll, which 90% of native americans said it doesn't bother them.

If those numbers are the same today, then I don't see a problem with the name.

Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #3)

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
4. I don't believe it's factually true . . .
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:12 PM
Oct 2013

That in the larger community the 'r' word and the 'n' word are equally offensive. Historically that is simply not so.

Of course, if you're a member of one or the other (or both) groups, your opinion may be wildly different than mine. So be it.

If I were owner of the NFL team, I'd be telling myself that this issue, which has alternately slumbered and simmered for years, is probably not going away this time. And so a name change would be the commercially smart thing to do.

The fact that the issue has such a visibility now actually makes a name change easier and less risky. The problem with name changes is that you have to abandon all the positive associations your market has with the current name and hope that they successfully transfer to the new name. If the process fails, you can lose an asset worth millions or billions of dollars. But if you do it in the harsh glare of activist-driven publicity, you get so much free attention that the transition is more likely to succeed.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
28. They don't play in Fenway anymore
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:59 AM
Oct 2013

Seriously, people act like it's this great traditional team name; it was only changed from the "Braves" because they moved to Fenway and wanted to do marketing tie-ins with the Red Sox. And before anybody says "what about the Cowboys rivalry?", the name predates the Dallas franchise by 30 years. And hell, you could come up with something else that has a Cowboys tie in: "Rustlers" or "Bandits" or something (especially good given the "beltway bandits" meme). Or better yet, get rid of the rivalry because Dallas has no business being in the NFC East anyways.

It's time to change the team's name -- God knows it couldn't make things any worse.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
5. Just change the color from red to any other
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:12 PM
Oct 2013

and see how it sounds ...

How about "Los Angeles Brownskins?" or "San Francisco Yellowskins?" or "Detroit Blackskins?" or "Boston Whiteskins?"

I can't believe people actually support the offensive name for the sake of some football worship.

The name is disgusting and should be changed.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
16. Actually allow me to revise that...
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:46 PM
Oct 2013

To be all inclusive of white, red, yellow and brown skinned peoples, they should change their name to Four Skins.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
22. My local Div. I college basketball team ...
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:25 AM
Oct 2013

used to be the "Brown Indians." Yes, the nearby reservation was OK with it. Hell, one of the artists from the rez came and painted center court in the early 1990s.

Even though it was very popular, they still changed it in '92. Now they're the Pretty-Boys (Bonnies ... with some kind of shit-brown stupid dog as a mascot).

just us

(105 posts)
6. The new name "Red Wolves"
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:17 PM
Oct 2013

The animal is endangered. Gone in US except for NC. This could be a win win for the team,fans and an animal in dire straits.

missingfink

(174 posts)
8. I read that the 'Redskin' owners......
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:29 PM
Oct 2013

had agreed to change the name of the Washington Redskins ......... to the D.C. Redskins. I read it in 'The Onion'.

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
10. The Onion's article also threw a few ethnic insults at the owner of the team as well
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 09:39 PM
Oct 2013

something that has caused faux outrage in circles not at all offended by said owner using a racial slur for his team's name.

Not unlike those who just can't believe Alan Grayson had the spine to call out the teabaggers for their racism.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
20. We're talking team names here....
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 11:59 PM
Oct 2013

National team names. If you think I sound extreme, you should hear how you sound over here.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
13. The owner is in his rights
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:16 PM
Oct 2013

to name the team whatever he wants. If it is offensive, people need to stand up and boycott the franchise.

17. On a similar note, the state of Indiana will change its name to 'Native Americana'
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:47 PM
Oct 2013

and race fans will be going to the "Native Americanapolis 500."

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
25. "Indian" is Politically Correct
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:43 AM
Oct 2013

It's the "American Indian Movement", not the "American Native American Movement".

 
37. Exactly
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 02:48 PM
Oct 2013

I know several american indians that REALLY hate being called native americans because it is PC run amok

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
19. Why is this even an issue?
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 11:46 PM
Oct 2013

Why do people care? I'm sorry if I sound inconsiderate but some people need to grow thicker skins. These people need to find hobbies. As long as the fans want to keep the name then the name should be kept.

blue neen

(12,321 posts)
21. "These people need to find hobbies"?
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:04 AM
Oct 2013

We "Americans" basically took everything away from Native Americans: Their homes, lands, food, lives, and complete cultures--I guess that would include "hobbies", too.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
23. I was going to go with...
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:27 AM
Oct 2013

"400-year pogrom of genocide, humiliation, enslavement and assimilation on par with the Borg," but yeah, you nailed it.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
29. If "Redskins" is OK, why isn't the Minnesota team called the "Squareheads"?
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 03:10 AM
Oct 2013

Indians and Vikings seem similar to me, and not offensive.

 

Ace Acme

(1,464 posts)
35. Umm, "Redskins" is not "Indians"
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:58 PM
Oct 2013

It doesn't matter whether you are offended or not. What matters is if Native Americans are offended, and clearly they are. Does your reaction trump theirs?

"Redskin" is not a neutral name. I could list derogatory names for Italians, Irish, Chinese, French, Israelis, Arabs, Vietnamese, Latin Americans, Blacks, Canadians. Would those be acceptable names for a pro sports team?

OK--now I see that I misread your post. Sorry for the over-heated reaction. The point still stands; it's just you are not an appropriate target for my ire.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
39. Indians is OK for Cleveland IMO, but only if they get rid of that disgusting
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:31 PM
Oct 2013

--Chief Wahoo stereotype. I'll bet Native Americans would be OK with the team name if not for that.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
43. No, Clyde Bellecourt and his handful of followers are offended. Most Indians, not so much.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:03 PM
Nov 2013

They have better things to worry about.

90% said they didn't find the name offensive:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/how-many-native-americans-think-redskins-is-a-slur/

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
32. Hell, at this point I don't even want to talk about the Vikings...
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:14 AM
Oct 2013

They should do want the announcers here in the Twin Cities do for UMD, the University of Minnesota, Duluth. They almost never use Bulldogs, the mascot and they don't dare acknowledge that they are part of the University of Minnesota system. They just call them "Duluth."

So just call them "Washington" until no one remembers any other names associated with them.

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