Soros is a financial criminal. Just because he uses his ill-gotten gains to support supposed Democrats doesn't make him any less a criminal.

Soros supported him too.

And since I would NEVER not vote, or ever vote Republican, there was obviously no choice but to vote for Obama in 2012.

And if we end up stuck with Hillary Clinton as the Dem candidate in 2016, I'll vote for her, too. Because I have always voted Dem for my entire voting life - which began in 1970. But I don't have to be happy about it, and I don't have to not fight like hell against her in the primaries. Which I will do.

And who was it in 2000 and 2004?

Because, you know, that's who I chose to fuck.

And that means EVERY election - "off-year" elections, local elections, primary elections - any elections that ever took place since I was 20 years old. I have voted in all of them, and I have always voted Democratic.

No matter where I lived, the first thing I did was register to vote. And I've always voted for Democrats. So take your snark elsewhere.

...but your supposedly perfect snark is little more than tiresome.

It's not even a gotcha, but you seem to think it was.

Its not too complicated try to follow....someone is talking about past support voting in a thread about Presidential candidates and don't want to name them. I will just hazard a guess they supported total losers like Nader and other Green Party candidates. They really aren't a democrat despite their claims.

and you can jam your loyalty oaths up there as well.

so I wont alert on this. Any more assinine posts you want to defend?

you have some choices, one of which is you can block/ignore them.

Sometimes DU is like a 10th grade bathroom

Though if her choice was John Edwards, "fucking" had a great deal to do with why his presidential aspirations are likely shattered.

political events and all. So sorry the language offended you.

I know most people on here remember the primary battles between Hillary and Obama more specifically, but when Edwards was in the race, he had a sizable following here as well. And there were others.

It would have been ironic if her "fucking first choice" had, in fact, been out fucking. (Edit to add, doubt I'm actually using that word properly.)

that you can use it anywhere for anything and it reverberates. The most useful word in the world, and the religious right appears to hate it. Can't figure out why, as it does not denigrate God or Jesus in the slightest. Aw well, go figure! When I'm mad, it is my first choice, and I let it fly. It is very easy to tell when I am mad.

But his political stances in the last 10 years have been correct from my point of view, he supported Dems during all that time. No good reason to reject his support now except if you are too stupid to want to win.

... you make a good point. It would be more efficient, I suppose, to not engage in a long and costly primary.



-Laelth

Congress is where all the power is and we need to give Democrats healthy majorities in both.

Whodathunk?

Hardly one of the worst capitalists

Many people, particularly lower income families, suffered because of his actions.

Collapsing the currency helped NO ONE.
The currency collapse was not inevitable he didn't need to continually devalue the currency, fighting the Uk's effort to prop it up. However thatcher was not going to win the next election, NO MATTER WHAT!

The working families, many of which lost their jobs, also lost much of their savings.

But if you still think working families were helped, which isn't the reality at all, what about the effect globally? Charities that depended on England felt quite a pinch. A COLLAPSE OF THE POUND DID IN FACT LEAD TO DEATHS DUE TO HUNGER IN WHAT WERE THEN CALLED "THIRD WORLD NATIONS". It is no different than IF HE HAD SHORTED THE USD, imagine every food program worldwide that depends on the U.S. government for funds FOR MEDICINE, FOOD, CHILDCARE ETC!!!!!!!!!

But hey, since it's hunger linked to speculation IT ISN'T REALLY A CRIME, RIGHT? At least that seems to be the way bankers think today.

There again, from your other posts, you do ...

if the teabaggers win so be it!

she will continue to take lobbyists money because ya know lobbyists represent unions and teachers. Meanwhile one of her biggest contributors has been Goldman Sachs.

Dem that can win, period.

Strengthen social safety programs
End invasions of sovereign nations, bring troops home from 80% of bases globally
Stop doing business with countries with egregious human rights violations(Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc until democratic reforms free from foreign influence are enacted)
Legalization and decriminalization of drugs
End the racial disparity within the Justice system
End subsidization of private education
End corporate subsidies
End Nafta, rework WTO prioritizing labor rights over corporate rights
Enact a Liveable wage

I've voted, and watched America become a laughing stock. I watched a Nobel winner destroy Libya, Drone kids in Pakistan etc. I'm done.

You want to vote for whoever you think can win, you have that right.
I have the right to vote for the person best suited to run the nation. I'm done voting for the lesser of two evils.

Most important thing to me when voting in national elections is getting a Dem elected. I never want to waste my primary vote and end up with a Republican in the White House.

I guess I'm of the mind, that we need to hold our own president and congress members feet to the fire after they are elected.

and support the MIC and Banks.

No, I just can't do that anymore. When the U.S. is taken to the world court I want to know my conscience is clean.

I'm actually put off by the conclusion that somehow not voting for a candidate I don't like is "enabling" a republican victory. That line of thinking......................it's a form of pressure and.......well I feel like an attempt is being made to manipulate my constitutional right to vote for whoever I believe is best suited to represent our interests. Of course I'm not saying you have an agenda, or are purposely attempting to manipulate or guilt trip me, nonetheless no one should have to feel that way.

I'm going to write in Bernie Sanders, and I refuse to feel guilty about that. I will feel proud when I write his name in. I guess that is what matters to me. When my children are grown I would hope they follow my example and vote according to their conscience. I don't want to tell my children that I voted for a guy who did business with Saudi Arabia or who murdered civilians in Iran or Pakistan simply because I didn't want a republican to win.

They gave him far more money thaN they gave Hillary and McCain. Also, do you realize that there are quite a few former G.S. employees who work in the administration?

I'm tired of this constant labeling of Hillary as some corporate shill as if Obama is somehow the epitome of liberalism. Give me a break!!!

Please do, then reword your response accordingly.

we've all liked Hillary for a long time but we thought Obama had a better chance to win. I think her popularity has gone up though with the Secretary of State position.

It'll be interesting to see if she really wants to do it though. I know she did in 2008, but that was 5 years ago.

Furthermore, I think that any Democrat would have won that year. We'll see how things turn out in 2106.

in your opinion?

It could be her campaign slogan.

the only people who can make it in office are those backed by billionaires.

See Jerry Brown vs. Meg Whitman. There are others.

Hillary resembles a DLCer, too. That being said, if she wins the primaries I will vote for her.

No matter how corporate they may seem, they are better than Republicans. This country is not going to elect to the Presidency anyone who would fit your description. I might like to see such a President too, but knowing it's unrealistic, I'd rather deal in reality.

I don't want the Republicans to have the WH in 2017. Or Congress, etc.

Or a reason to like Hillary for the job if one does not.

Sheldon Adelson gave $100 million out last year. A hundred fucking million.

Soros is a creep and I'm not a Hillary fan but this is cheap.

My point is that their guys are really dedicated.

That was in 2012 alone.

And you're calling $25,000 "big money".

I feel like they should print out your post and paste it in philosophy classrooms as a lesson in false equivalency.

She is corporatist. She is DLC.

No thanks.

Certainly more fun than actually finding a candidate to meet their exacting specifications who WANTS to run.

I had dinner last night with a DNC member. He agreed with me that 1) Hillary is very likely to run and 2) if she does, everyone else (including Biden) will get out of the way.

I've noticed a desire for her to run in 2016 that's greater than in 2008. The leadership of the party wants her to run mainly for two reasons:

1) They want to win in 2016 and they think that Hillary has the popularity and gravitas to go the whole way. In other words, she's a political rock star. The party has only 3 larger than life stars: Obama and the Clintons. Out of those three, only Hillary can run in 2016.

2) Many have expressed a wish that our nominee should be a woman. That it's about time that over half of the population be represented.

Since this woman finds the prospect of a cluster-bomb defender who is both a woman - and a mother, for goddess' sake - to be about as far from representing me as is possible.

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It would be difficult to hold my nose firmly enough to ignore the smell. That being said...if the choice is between her and Ted Cruz or some other such Repig creature....meh. I'm so sick of the lesser of two evils. We'll see.

"is backing an effort to persuade" Title is very misleading.

Both on the right and left , this fatalistic notion that she will be the next President. Should the Democratic Party just save money and cancel the primaries? Might help avoiding the inevitable mudslinging as well.

and sends their blood pressure into the danger zone. I'm all for that.

And NO again.

Whether it be Soros, or Pelosi, etc. Guess we can cancel those primaries.

How soon will Carville and other surrogates be sent out to knife other potential Democratic candidates in the back in return for another shot at The Big Time?

That entire bunch likes the idea of power more than anything else, including what is best for the country.

Funny how the 'Inevitability' meme failed once before, yet they dead set on trying it yet again. Sounds to me like a total lack of new ideas.

I suppose when you can't run your candidate on the issues and win, you have to tell everyone else to shut up and accept it as a done deal.

...because those fresh faces are showing no signs of getting organized.

Better to have influence over a Democratic woman POTUS than have Tea Party cavemen running things and be on the outside looking in and have no power at all.

.....having a Democratic-controlled Congress with a strong progressive element trumps concern over the Presidential race.

I would like to see a strong Progressive in the debates to articulate some really traditional Democratic, pro-worker, pro-environment issues.

It just goes to show how arrogant some people are.

Yet people can still give their opinions.

Gee, George, don't bankrupt yourself!

Never to soon to start speculating!

and I plan to be working on his campaign. By that time, god willing, Texas will be blue.

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Florida is purple right now, however if I have anything to do with it, it will be blue by then. I am hoping for a Skye, Star, Sage, Storm or Stone Grayson in the far reaching future of Florida. Lets start campaigning now for both, never to early.

And, assuming he wants it, I would have no problem supporting him if either Hillary decides to not run, or after her second term is up.

2014 should be the most important calling at this point. We have a real chance to slay the GOP in 2014, rather than be concerned about a distraction that has not materialized yet.

And Warren an historically great VP, followed by an even better president herself!

Though that is marginally less newsworthy.

I think I'll put my support elsewhere.

Just look at the crap on this thread.

On one side you have the "Hilary is a saint" people and on the other there are
the "Anyone else who isn't an obscenely rich candidate ... oh ... who's left?".

As the man said: "The best democracy money can buy" ...