if the limit of an earthquake for shallow is 40 miles and this is 6


the deep ones though those cause alot more damage in theory

Humans gamble with all life on earth as if nothing can go wrong!

....."Murphy was an optimist! Things go wrong, even when they can't!" Robert A. Heinlein

An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 7.3 has hit near the Fukushima prefecture in Japan, according to USGS.

Japan Meteorological Agency puts the quake's magnitude at 6.8 currently.

Japanese authorities have issued a tsunami advisory for Fukushima Prefecture, expecting a 3-foot tsunami by 1:40pm ET, according to the Weather Channel.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/earthquake-hits-near-fukushima-japan-172839930.html

Not good at all. Fuck.

Hopefully none of those tanks get breached.

Keizoku wa chikara nari.

This area is constantly active with earthquakes of varying magnitudes. My fear is the Japanese won't be able to remove those rods before a quake does even further damage (as if that's possible -- the next step is irreparable catastrophe).

on reactor 4 collapse? will they tell us?

if that goes.... god help us all

One of our more local right wing radio talkers, Lars Larson, keeps ragging on Northwest citizens for refusing to allow nuclear power. No way, it's a horrible way to die.

kami sama, Yamate kudasai! Shinjirarenai!! Ki no doku desu. Mou, iya desuyo!

I hope this tribute is appropriate, if not PM me and I will remove.

On edit: please share this with AsahinaKimi.

I frankly don't know of a song, I know that would fit this.. Taihen kanashī.

Did I get that right?...if so it is profoundly true.

lets see..

Mataku: "Good grief" or "Geez"
nantekotta! "damn"
Saiaku da! "This is horrible!"
kami sama, Yamate kudasai! "please god, stop" (Kami is a shinto spirit, not really a god)
Shinjirarenai!! "unbelievable"
Ki no doku desu. " I am sorry to hear it."
Mou, iya desuyo! "I don't like this at all"

my Japanese language lesson for the day.

But I relied on Google translate...and I still don't know how to use it properly.

But Japanese it really does not work well. Its like one time I was in a chat room, and the people there were speaking Portuguese so I tried google translate.. the thing is it doesn't recognize words that are for male and or female. So you could say to a male something that you might say to a woman, and of course he will be insulted.

With Japanese, words can be different. For example.. the word Please. There are two words that I know for please. One is "Kudasai" and one is "onegaishimasu". Both are used differently. If I am asking for a coffee in a restaurant I might say.. Kohi o kudasai. Where as Onegaishimasu means I beg you to do that. An example would be, if you are in a Taxi cab, and ask the driver to please take you to
Ginza, you would say: Ginza made onegaishimasu.

So the problem with the translator is, that it does not know, in this case, which word to use.. Kudasai, or Onegaishimasu, because it needs the context to know this. That is a bit complicated.

I still struggle with Spanish, and I am around it all the time.
But I admire those that seem to find it easy.

I was in a chat room with a friend. She lives in Japan and speaks it fluently. (I am not quite fluent, but I am trying to be) and this guy came in claiming to be from Japan. So he started typing in Japanese fonts, and I was not sure what he was saying, so I asked him using Romaji...Romaji is Japanese using the Greek Alphabet.. like for example..."Nihon de doko ni sunde imasu ka?" A simple question, that means "Where in Japan do you live?" ... His answer was "Hai". I knew right then there was something a miss, so my friend asked him some questions using Kana (which is Japanese that uses, hiragana, katakana and Kanji or Chinese style characters) and he replied to her after a few moments of hesitation. SO she turned to me and said...

"Why is he using a translator if he is from Japan??" ...and of course the guy heard this and suddenly made a quiet retreat. We both knew that the translators do not work well for Japanese, but he didn't know that. Maybe they work for simple one or two word phrases..but for long complicated sentences, you can bet it will come out totally wrong.

Imagine walking into a restaurant and saying "Hello, I would like to plunder some Raddishes along with a tub of Soap. I would like to also
own a fat plum tree." You can imagine them rolling their eyes.

You have to be really good to do that, and have a lot of practice.
There are so many subtleties in language for that...you can tell from what region in a country you are from just by they way they use words or sounds...and I imagine that holds true with all languages.
I hope that guy learned something from that.

I have met way too many like him. Another example was I met another guy in a chat room, who was speaking Japanese but in a very very harsh tone. I asked him where he learned his Japanese? He replied he memorized it from watching Anime. I told him, wow..no, that is not the way to learn Japanese. The thing is Anime uses a lot of harsh words. Imagine learning English from listening to Rappers singing. Do you think you could apply for a job in the United States if you used the language a Rapper uses in music lyrics?

You would be thrown out on your ear. In Japanese, its a language based on levels of politeness. You have to know when to use those levels of politeness. There are even words that greatly improve the level of politeness. An example of that is saying thank you.

You can say Domo. That is very casual.
Arigatou. That is a bit more polite.
Domo Arigatou more still.
Domo Arigatou gozaimasu very very polite.

He had told me that he had plan to visit Japan and planned to use his new found language skills. I told him, that its really not a good idea to go to a country and end up insulting them. Say the wrong thing, and you could end up with a punch in the nose, or worse.
(Just saying "Kisama" might get you killed!) I told him if he was going to Japan, he should at least take a Japanese course from a language school, city college (Don't use Rosetta stone, its not very helpful if you have no teacher to ask questions to, and there is more than just learning vocabulary and sentence structure.) or from a certified Japanese tutor.

But no, he had his plane tickets and was going to go and said he would be okay. I have never heard from him, since than. I know he found himself in trouble...you don't go around calling shop keepers "Baka" without some kind of terrible consequences.

Now that is funny.
But I have heard that about Japanese language, that politeness is very important...and I think English could use some of that.
But English is always changing, and adopting new words and phrases, which makes it one of the hardest to learn...good for me that it is my first language...and only one that I can fully understand because if I had to learn it I would be in trouble.
I had a Finish girlfriend once that tried to teach me Finish, but every time I would say something she would laugh, she said I spoke Finish with a Swedish accent...I never did get it right.

Naruto ... Bleach.. and other anime series. Its not the way to learn, especially when in Anime, its not uncommon for characters to make up words on the spot, that unless you watch the show, you would never hear in real life.

Human scientists sometimes remind me of the Sorcerer's Apprentice.

There are currently 65 commercially operating nuclear power plants with 104 nuclear reactors in 31 states around the country. Thirty-six of the plants have two or more reactors.
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=207&t=3

Essentially, the USA has 104 ticking time bombs of its very own. That we know of.

Two of those are on the coast of California, cooled by the Pacific Ocean. What could possibly go wrong with that?

>>Two of those are on the coast of California, cooled by the Pacific Ocean. What could possibly go wrong with that?

You got that right, I live about 35 miles north of where the "shut down" one is located and yes, it scares the hell out of me.

Why the hell they built a nuclear reactor in a tsunami zone is beyond stupid. and yes scared ...

It I hear anything re: tsunami alerts on the west coast where I live, will advise ASAP.

The last time around it wiped out Crescent City harbor! YIKES!!!

& recommend!!

The atom splitting has been a plague on them from the start...

The people of Japan have had too much to have to deal with. Just awful, and that reactor....

Just sayin.

But not all do.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7435324.stm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/2011/03/is-solar-activity-to-blame-for.shtml

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/08/does-solar-activity-influence.html

http://geology.about.com/od/earthquakes/a/EQlights.htm

then I spent several months researching it and checking the history of flares and earthquakes... I wanted it to be true, but it just wasn't.

at transferring energy our way. Allfen Waves are usually blocked by magnetic fields, but in a CH senario, The field is wide open and sends a steady stream of high speed protons, as opposed to a flare which is a burst. Time is still required for the charge to reach the point of electron cascade/charge separation failure. Once the peak charge separation is reached at the point of failure, any little jolt can cause the cascade; like a tidal change, a quake somewhere along the plate local boundaries, even compression changes on the surface.

There are many triggers involved, and I don't claim that the sun is the only factor. But to dismiss it out of hand due to a shakey heliodynamic model is so 16th century.

New sunspot AR1882 isn't very big, but it is potent. The active region has already unleashed two strong solar flares today: An X1 at 08:01 UT followed by an X2 at 15:07 UT. There is no reason to think this fusillade will end soon, so stay tuned for more flares.

GLOBAL ERUPTION ON OCT 25TH: Solar activity is high and intensifying. New sunspot AR1882, which rotated over the sun's eastern limb earlier today, promptly unleashed an X1-class solar flare, adding to a series of lesser flares already underway from sunspots AR1875 and AR1877. NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory recorded a bright flash of extreme UV radiation from the X1 flare, which peaked at 08:01 UT on Oct. 25th:

There may be more to this flare than meets the eye. Watch this movie of the sun's entire disk. The X1-flare was bracketed by two erupting magnetic filaments, each located hundreds of thousands of kilometers from AR1882. In other words, the X1 flare might have been just one piece of an interconnected global eruption.

More flares are in the offing. There are now three sunspot groups on the Earthside of the sun capable of strong eruptions: AR1875, AR1877 and AR1882. NOAA forecasters estimate a 55% chance of M-flares and a 10% chance of X-flares during the next 24 hours.

What. The. Heck? WHAT do solar flares have to do with earthquakes? Sorry, but what?

A child could see that. The picture makes it perfectly clear.

how helpful you were.

Electricity giveth...

Electricity taketh...

Maybe we can invent some "Dark Sarcasm" to explain the flood of "not what we expected" (Wired) or "this has shaken the foundations of" (NASA) quotes that swell when exposed to physical, documented evidence.

Math proofs are nice, but I prefer experimentally derived observation...

and an open mind.

There are places to get help.

capitulate the higher ground because you slyly cracked a "joke on me"? Sulk off to the Lounge with the truffers and sock-puppeteers?

I bring evidence to the table, from the mouths and instruments of the same people you'd use to try and prove me wrong. I don't disagree with the science they produce, just the theory they keep trying to shoehorn into the picture that observational facts keep saying.

Meanwhile, thanks for making me feel like the lone liberal on RedState's "Sciencey" thread. I know there's a joke in there somewhere.


See: Rest of post in this thread for multiple links.

Magnetic disturbances are an immutable fact(NASA) before and after an earthquake.

The problem is that the usual suspects, Pezio-electric, friction, electro-kinetic et al. do not produce enough electrical potential to account for the changes seen during an earthquake.

This is where solar activity comes in.

Let me first say that anyone who attempts to separate magnetism and electrical discharge is either lying to you, or just a buffoon.

Second, I will admit that it is not the only factor. We can look to Oklahoma to prove that. But they are weak and shallow.

Igneous rock is "an insulator" but given enough potential, any insulator will eventually fail. In the case of major solar events (CME's, Allfen Waves from Corona Holes, Flares et al.) charged particles are directed towards Earth. That energy enters Earth via the poles. When the energies, reach 20 to 150 giga-watts, Auroras transfer the charge to the ionosphere and eventually to ground. That energy is eventually dissipated in the temporate and tropical zones (trans-equatorialy) in the form of lightning, and back into space via sprites and blue jets. The Earth is little more than a low power, small scale version of the Sun in this respect. We see the same interaction in the intermediate scale in our local gas giants, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and Uranus. Take Jupiter in infrared. It's nearly a star in its own right, but it only glows in infrared.


Charge separation (electrical potential between two objects) builds in fault zones, but an equilibrium between the CS and the insulative resistance of the medium (rock) is reached over time. When this happens, an outside force is required to disrupt it. A sudden influx of ground charge from solar activity provides an obvious trigger for this imbalance.

As the charge separation reaches a critical mass, it overcomes the insulative properties and an arc is produced (just like lightning) to equalize the separation.

All excess charge is funneled thru the point of failure; at the fault, melting and vaporizing the rock it passes thru allowing for the slip in the fault. This build-up and eventual arc produces wild fluctuations in the magnetic field surrounding the fault, causing animals that use magnetite for navigation to freak out, and aurora-esk lights above the fault in whats called a "Glow-Mode" discharge. In areas where magma is close to the surface, as in the case of volcanoes, this charge can take the form of actual lightning.

Or I could just fart.

Do they just dissipate? Electricity is not confined to the area between the surface and the ionosphere. See above:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=632586

Nothing to see here. Please! Just move along. The faster you move OUT of the area the better you'll be.

After all TEPCO is trying to help you almost as much as the Japanese government!

whether that be a finger, an arm, a head, or a dick, the price is the same. $1000 a lb.