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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 08:15 AM Oct 2013

5 dead in Brooklyn stabbing rampage, including 4 children

Source: Detroit Free Press

NEW YORK — New York City police pressed forward Sunday in investigating the deaths of four children and a 37-year-old woman who were stabbed at a Brooklyn residence, saying a person of interest had been taken into custody.

Officers arrived at the scene and found all five victims unconscious and unresponsive, police said. A 1-year-old boy and two girls, ages 7 and 9, were pronounced dead at the residence by emergency responders.

A boy, 5, and the woman were taken to two Brooklyn hospitals where they were pronounced dead, police said.

Authorities were withholding the victims’ names until family members had been properly notified.

Read more: http://www.freep.com/article/20131027/NEWS07/310270123/

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5 dead in Brooklyn stabbing rampage, including 4 children (Original Post) IDemo Oct 2013 OP
Gundamentalists now have their straw man. Cue "where are the post for banning knives" in 5,4,3,2,1. Nanjing to Seoul Oct 2013 #1
By the time a person with a gun realizes that the other is coming at them with a knife... L0oniX Oct 2013 #2
Not to mention it's extremely easy to make a homemade knife. A homemade gun is possible, but MillennialDem Oct 2013 #4
Many Gang-bangers carry Screwdrivers. PeoViejo Oct 2013 #8
Or a sharp pair of scissors or many other sharp metal objects that have other uses MillennialDem Oct 2013 #14
In the 1950's movie, Caged LiberalElite Oct 2013 #27
some would like to ban steak, too. Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #17
+1. (nt) Paladin Oct 2013 #3
We do not need to press for banning knives PuffedMica Oct 2013 #6
Yikes! It's things like this that make me not want to live in a big city. Pterodactyl Oct 2013 #5
Uhhh.....This sort of thing can happen anywhere. dookers Oct 2013 #10
Yeah, the NYPD is hard core. With all the stop and frisk and profiling. Pterodactyl Oct 2013 #32
7 people killed in a trailer park in rural Georgia: Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #11
Neither big cities nor trailer parks. Pterodactyl Oct 2013 #19
I like living in a big city PasadenaTrudy Oct 2013 #21
Simply heartbreaking...... Thucydides Oct 2013 #7
omg.................. Marrah_G Oct 2013 #9
Ugh. Father came home to this scene and struggled with the stabber/relative Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #12
Jesus Christ thats 3 stories of 5 people at a time being murdered in gopiscrap Oct 2013 #13
I cannot comprehend this kind of violence. Mz Pip Oct 2013 #15
Its called "Temporary Insanity" warrant46 Oct 2013 #18
And from working in that field for 3 decades, you'd know that "temporary insanity" geek tragedy Oct 2013 #23
Whatever warrant46 Oct 2013 #26
Which is next to impossible to prove Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #28
I'm prosecuting him warrant46 Oct 2013 #29
So why bring up the insanity plea? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #30
I will try to explain warrant46 Oct 2013 #31
A Chinese immigrant was arrested Sunday on five counts of murder tblue Oct 2013 #16
From what has been reported, motive appears to be is that he was jealous that LisaL Oct 2013 #20
I follow PasadenaTrudy Oct 2013 #22
Sad story. Beacool Oct 2013 #24
Where there's a will... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #25
 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
2. By the time a person with a gun realizes that the other is coming at them with a knife...
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:04 AM
Oct 2013

it is too late to use it. That is why police shoot them rather than trying to subdue them. Usually you wouldn't know a person is about to attack with a knife until they are almost within stabbing distance. Those who think that carrying a gun will protect them from a person with a knife are fooling themselves.

Banning knives? LOL ok ...I don't think you are going to see responders saying that. WTF are you going to cut your steak with?

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
4. Not to mention it's extremely easy to make a homemade knife. A homemade gun is possible, but
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:20 AM
Oct 2013

more difficult. All you need for a knife is any piece of metal, glass, or hard plastic that can be sharpened. Prisoners make them, and the outside world has a lot more access to the materials (and no "contraband searches&quot .

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
8. Many Gang-bangers carry Screwdrivers.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:56 AM
Oct 2013

Not quite as effective as an Icepick, but easier to argue away.

PuffedMica

(1,061 posts)
6. We do not need to press for banning knives
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:37 AM
Oct 2013

We are doing an excellent job of making it harder for good Democrats to get re-elected by making them support new gun control as it is.

dookers

(61 posts)
10. Uhhh.....This sort of thing can happen anywhere.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:23 PM
Oct 2013

You'd probably be safer in NYC since theres a heavy police presence and very harsh gun regulations compared to the rest of the country.

Mz Pip

(27,452 posts)
15. I cannot comprehend this kind of violence.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:54 PM
Oct 2013

I get gun violence. It's easy. Just pull the trigger. You don't even have to be up close. There's a physical separation between the killer and the victim.

But this is so personal; and to do it over and over and over to multiple children. There really are no words.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
18. Its called "Temporary Insanity"
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 06:43 PM
Oct 2013

Working in the Criminal Law for more than 3 decades, you would be amazed how rage and anger can turn into this type of behavior.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. And from working in that field for 3 decades, you'd know that "temporary insanity"
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:38 AM
Oct 2013

is an excuse that juries reject about 99.99% of the time.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
26. Whatever
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 06:37 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Well the actual statistics would disagree with you. As a PROSECUTOR I have seen numerous nsanity defenses never go to trial because the defendant would be found not competent to stand trial in the first place.

This increased coverage gives the impression that the defense is widely used, but this is not the case. According to an eight-state study, the insanity defense is used in less than 1% of all court cases and, when used, has only a 26% success rate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity_defense

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
28. Which is next to impossible to prove
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:14 PM
Oct 2013

and will be harder when his drug test almost certainly comes back positive...

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
31. I will try to explain
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:43 PM
Oct 2013

The post I replied to--

"I get gun violence. It's easy. Just pull the trigger. You don't even have to be up close.
There's a physical separation between the killer and the victim.
But this is so personal; and to do it over and over and over to multiple children. There really are no words."

MY TAKE

My point to the poster was----- "maybe" the guy was truly crazy. I have no other evidence to suggest that other than the news report.

I found out. over the years, that a prosecutor/defense attorney needs all of the evidence available to form a reasonable opinion.

Although to commit this murder as the report alleges it would (in my experience) take a real nut job to get so up close and personal with knives, blood and mayhem toward the defenseless children.

And if he was on drugs and it can be proven as you suggest---an insanity defense becomes very problematic.

Thank you for asking

tblue

(16,350 posts)
16. A Chinese immigrant was arrested Sunday on five counts of murder
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:32 PM
Oct 2013

in the deaths of his cousin's wife and her four children in a stabbing rampage in their Brooklyn home.

Ugh. Why???

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
20. From what has been reported, motive appears to be is that he was jealous that
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 09:44 AM
Oct 2013

they had a better lifestyle than he did.

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
22. I follow
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:33 AM
Oct 2013

a NYC police scanner on twitter and saw this as it was called in. Quite a shock seeing the numbers.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
24. Sad story.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:43 AM
Oct 2013

This is local for me because I'm right across the Hudson river from NYC. The news said that he said to a cop that he was upset because they had so much and he had so little. He's apparently and illegal immigrant from China. His cousin and her family were helping him out.

They said that he also used a cleaver and that the youngest child was decapitated. The woman's sister arrived with her husband at the house. She went in and was the one who caught him in the act. She ran out and the husband called 911.

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