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newthinking

(3,982 posts)
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:26 PM Oct 2013

NSA: New reports in German media deepen US-Merkel spy row

Source: BBC News

Fresh reports in German media based on leaked US intelligence documents are prompting damaging new questions about the extent of US surveillance.

Der Spiegel suggests the US has been spying on German Chancellor Angela Merkel's mobile phone since 2002.

Another report says Mr Obama was told in 2010 about the surveillance and failed to stop it.

The spy row has led to the worst diplomatic crisis betweeen the two countries in living memory.

Leaked documents say a US listening unit was based in its Berlin embassy - and similar operations were replicated in 80 locations around the world.

The German interior minister has been quoted as saying such an operation, if confirmed, would be illegal.

On Friday, Germany and France said they wanted the US to sign a no-spy deal by the end of the year.

As well as the bugging of Mrs Merkel's phone, there are claims the NSA has monitored millions of telephone calls made by German and French citizens.

'Obama's green light'

Der Spiegel claims to have seen secret documents from the National Security Agency which show Mrs Merkel's number on a list dating from 2002 - three years before she became chancellor.

This might indicate that there was extensive bugging of the phones of prominent people, says the BBC's Stephen Evans in Berlin.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24692908



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NSA: New reports in German media deepen US-Merkel spy row (Original Post) newthinking Oct 2013 OP
Maybe Germany needs to kick out our 55 military bases, of which 15 are supposed to close by 2015. Mnemosyne Oct 2013 #1
Anybody who thinks they have privacy on a mobile phone Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #2
true dat PatrynXX Oct 2013 #3
huh? newthinking Oct 2013 #5
Totally agree. bemildred Oct 2013 #6
I hate to see this meme newthinking Oct 2013 #4
+1. nt bemildred Oct 2013 #9
Even drug dealers know better than this. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #11
"the worst diplomatic crisis betweeen the two countries in living memory." dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #7
Not well covered in the American Press newthinking Oct 2013 #8
Really soundsgreat Oct 2013 #10

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
1. Maybe Germany needs to kick out our 55 military bases, of which 15 are supposed to close by 2015.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:39 PM
Oct 2013

I do understand that it won't happen due to economic implications, but we need to get our tax dollars helping US citizens.

Mr.Bill

(24,305 posts)
2. Anybody who thinks they have privacy on a mobile phone
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:46 PM
Oct 2013

is an idiot. Even drug dealers know better than this.

Not saying it was right if we spied on her, though.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
3. true dat
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:59 PM
Oct 2013


why paranoid people insist on using wireless devices is beyond me. I use a cat5e. dislike wireless devices but there is no cat5e plug on it. hence pedo's spying on baby cams that are wireless

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
5. huh?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:06 PM
Oct 2013

Someone in your own family relations is the far more likely (by many factors) if sexual abuse were to occur. Stranger abuse is actually a relatively uncommon factor (but yes, the media sure does like to stoke the fear of your neighbors instead).

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
6. Totally agree.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:45 PM
Oct 2013

Wireless is OK if that is really all you can get, but otherwise, "I'd prefer not to."

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
4. I hate to see this meme
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:01 PM
Oct 2013

I spoke to it in another thread. I think that it hurts us in that as long as everyone accepts this as "just the way it is" it is difficult to do the work we need to do to determine appropriate limits to the technologies invasive nature.

Please read my other post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023930882#post18

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
11. Even drug dealers know better than this.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 12:05 PM
Oct 2013

Yet the average law abiding Amer. is now surprised by the revelations.

Telling, isn't it?

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
8. Not well covered in the American Press
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:54 PM
Oct 2013

You wouldn't know how serious it is by watching and reading the US press. For some reason it is not being really covered. But it is all over the world press and apparently it is pretty serious.

 

soundsgreat

(125 posts)
10. Really
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:50 AM
Oct 2013

The Germans are pissed. Really.

Many calls to install a parliamentary commission on the NSA and to summon Sowden as a witness. Chances that he will come are certainly bigger than for Alexander.

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