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FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:26 PM Nov 2013

Andy Lopez Family Files Federal Lawsuit, Claiming Violation of Fourth Amendment

Source: NBC Bay Area

The parents of a 13-year-old Santa Rosa boy killed by a sheriff's deputy who thought the airsoft rifle he was carrying was real has filed a lawsuit over their son's death, claiming the deputy who shot him used excessive force and had a history of "reckless" acts.

Andy Lopez was a "charismatic kid" who was "shot without provocation or cause," in violation of his Fourth Amendment rights, according to the suit (PDF), which Rodrigo Lopez and Sujey Cruz Casarez filed Monday in San Francisco federal court.

They are represented by Casillas, Moreno and Associates, based in Montebello, Calif., which won a $24 million verdict after a Los Angeles police officer there shot a 13-year-old boy playing cops and robbers, leaving him paralyzed.

At a news conference with their lawyers, Andy's father asked for "justice," and relatives wiped away tears. Attorney Arnoldo Casillas said the lawsuit over Andy Lopez's death will ensure an "honest" investigation into what happened.


Read more: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Andy-Lopez-Family-to-File-Federal-Lawsuit-Claiming-Violation-of-Fourth-Amendment-230501401.html

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Andy Lopez Family Files Federal Lawsuit, Claiming Violation of Fourth Amendment (Original Post) FreakinDJ Nov 2013 OP
Good I hope they sue the living fuck out lof the cops! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #1
“the way he was holding it, the way he was swinging it,” FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #2
There is no winning argument in those statements NickB79 Nov 2013 #4
If it wasn't such a sad story your argument would be halarious FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #5
Having handled some of them, yes NickB79 Nov 2013 #6
Your own links DISPROVED your own argument FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #7
k+r Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #3
 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
2. “the way he was holding it, the way he was swinging it,”
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 06:48 AM
Nov 2013
Casillas said a witness who saw Andy just before the shooting said the plastic gun was clearly a toy based on “the way he was holding it, the way he was swinging it,” as well as the fact that the 13-year-old did not seem to pose a threat at only 5 feet 4 inches tall and 140 pounds.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/11/04/13-year-old-shooting-victims-family-files-federal-lawsuit-against-sonoma-co-sheriffs-deputy/




Ak 47 Style Airsoft Electric Gun
Gun measures 34.5 inches long, 2 inches wide, 10 inches high, and weighs 5 pounds

http://www.amazon.com/Style-Airsoft-Electric-Completed-magazine/dp/B000CK6DKY


NickB79

(19,270 posts)
4. There is no winning argument in those statements
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 04:14 PM
Nov 2013
the plastic gun was clearly a toy based on “the way he was holding it, the way he was swinging it,”


People frequently swing real guns around as well in a "playful manner". We call them gun nuts, and they frequently cause harm. And if he was "swinging it" as the witness says, that benefits the police as well, because part of their argument to justify the shooting was that the child swung around, pointing the gun in their direction when they told him to drop the gun.

not seem to pose a threat at only 5 feet 4 inches tall and 140 pounds.


So he was approximately the same size of many grown men? "Only" 5'4" and 140 lb? I graduated from college with grown men smaller than that.

I recall that this man killed 6 hunters in the woods, and was smaller than 5'4": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang.

Ak 47 Style Airsoft Electric Gun
Gun measures 34.5 inches long, 2 inches wide, 10 inches high, and weighs 5 pounds


The dimensions of a REAL AK-47: 34" long and 415mm wide (pretty close to 2" width). So, dimensionally it was very realistic.

And the weight is irrelevant, unless the officer held the airsoft gun before handing it back to the kid and then shooting him.

The most likely outcome is that the parents sue, the department will settle out of court for a pittance, and the officer will keep his job. If it went to court, all the department would have to do is display the Airsoft AK next to a real one from their collection for the jury to see, keeping the two at the same distance from the jurists that the officer was from the child.

Given that some Airsoft guns are now so realistic, they can be converted to REAL working guns (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/06/exclusive-toy-gun-sold-easily-turned-real-thing/), it would be impressive to find a jury that sided with the parents.
 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
5. If it wasn't such a sad story your argument would be halarious
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 04:56 PM
Nov 2013
Given that some Airsoft guns are now so realistic, they can be converted to REAL working guns


Honestly - do you really believe that

Love the Fuxnoise quote btw

NickB79

(19,270 posts)
6. Having handled some of them, yes
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 05:05 PM
Nov 2013

Unless you think the ATF made a mistake?

The higher-end ones are made of metal components, and are amazing realistic until you get up close to them.

Sorry about the Fox News source, it was one of the first to come up on Google.

Perhaps you'd like these instead?

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Machine-guns-seized-at-Tacoma-port-85246447.html

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms found that the rifles were tooled to shoot plastic balls, but replacement of internal components with original machine gun components would render the rifles capable of firing live ammunition.




 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
7. Your own links DISPROVED your own argument
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:34 PM
Nov 2013

I couldn't have said it any better myself - but your own link said it for me

Anyone with any knowledge of firearms knows it is absolutely impossible to convert these airsoft guns into working machine guns


You tirade of blaming the victim and his family is disgraceful

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