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Redfairen

(1,276 posts)
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:34 PM Nov 2013

Colorado voters approve state marijuana tax

Source: Denver Post

A state ballot measure imposing special excise and sales taxes on recreational marijuana won handily in statewide voting Tuesday night. This story will be updated throughout the night.

8:22 p.m.: With more than 850,000 votes counted, Proposition AA maintained its 65 percent to 35 percent lead.

8:16 p.m.: From Mike Elliott of Medical Marijuana Industry Group: "The passage of Prop AA means Colorado will have a strong and well-funded regulatory system"

8:02 p.m.: The Denver Post projects Proposition AA, the statewide sales and excise tax on recreational marijuana, will pass. With about 680,000 votes counted, the measure leads 65 percent to 35 percent. Its sizeable lead has remained virtually unchanged since the first results were released Tuesday night.



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Colorado voters approve state marijuana tax (Original Post) Redfairen Nov 2013 OP
My only worry is that of government getting in the business of regulating potency. Tax it. Ed Suspicious Nov 2013 #1
Eh, they regulate beer vs liquor. joshcryer Nov 2013 #3
There are some taxes a person just wouldn't mind paying. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #2
25% total. joshcryer Nov 2013 #4
If it is the way you explained NOT 25%. You can't just add %'s that way. Total is > 25% retread Nov 2013 #6
It was just a round number. joshcryer Nov 2013 #7
It remains to be seen what pricing will look like. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #10
I think i am getting close to convincing my wife to let me have a dark corner in the basement which Buddha_of_Wisdom Nov 2013 #11
A good, amended soil mix. Timers and fans. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #16
Forgive me for being pedantic. As far as I am concerned, if governments need a pound of retread Nov 2013 #14
If it is the way you explained NOT 25%. You can't just add %'s that way. Total is < 25% SlipperySlope Nov 2013 #12
Kick n/t Tx4obama Nov 2013 #5
This makes me want to move to Co. & open a "Munchies" Sunlei Nov 2013 #8
The thing we need to work on now is..... Hotler Nov 2013 #9
Any state that wants to assure passage of a legal weed measure musiclawyer Nov 2013 #15
Or not gratuitously insert per se DUID language, as the folks in Washington did. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #17
Now the state government will have a reason to promote MJ like they do with gambling KurtNYC Nov 2013 #13

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
1. My only worry is that of government getting in the business of regulating potency. Tax it.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:40 PM
Nov 2013

Taxation is a massive step toward normalization of the product. That I'm happy about. Once the revenues start flowing it will be very hard to shut off the spigot.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
3. Eh, they regulate beer vs liquor.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:51 PM
Nov 2013

I don't care about that so much, as long as they don't regulate home grown ability to make potent strains.

There is no going back. Marijuana will be legal across the entire country in 5 years tops. The revenues will be too great and the crime will go down and it may even make a dent in alcohol consumption which would have a net positive social effect. And no I'm not making a MJ is magical argument, just sayin', it's not as bad as alcohol.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
4. 25% total.
Tue Nov 5, 2013, 11:56 PM
Nov 2013

15% tax on wholesale sale of marijuana (from a grower to a retailer) and a 10% tax (on top of the 2.9% state sales tax) at the consumer level (from retailer to customer).

Marijuana advocates in Colorado are really doing everything right. It's going to show the world that marijuana can be done properly and safely.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
7. It was just a round number.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:52 AM
Nov 2013

It's obviously a bit less. And yes, it is 100% the way I say. I just used a round number.

If, in theory, someone sold an OZ and that OZ was sold to the public, then the numbers even out.

edit: oh, you think it would be more, no, not really wholesale prices will be much lower. Even with the 2.9 excise tax. You'd be seeing stores getting marijuana at extremely low prices.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
10. It remains to be seen what pricing will look like.
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 03:44 PM
Nov 2013

If the price is too high, people will continue to get pot where they always got it before, from their unregulated dealers.

Or grow their own. That's what I do. Keeps me satisfied and out of the market.

 

Buddha_of_Wisdom

(373 posts)
11. I think i am getting close to convincing my wife to let me have a dark corner in the basement which
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 04:31 PM
Nov 2013

to try to grow pot.

I know I need a 1000 watt bulb, water, plant food, what else?

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
16. A good, amended soil mix. Timers and fans.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:56 PM
Nov 2013

You might get away with using only a 400 or 600 watt HPS or metal halide bulb, depending on the size of the grow. There is plenty of good grow information online, or I recommend books by Ed Rosenthal or Jorge Cervantes.

But I highly recommend growing in sunlight if it all feasible. It's cheaper, no lights can compete with the sun, and it leaves a tiny carbon footprint.

The nice thing about indoor grows is that it is a totally controlled environment. If you do it right (and there is a learning curve), you can grow good weed just fine. Outdoors, you have to deal with animals and weather. (Deer pruned a couple of my plants this year, but just the tops, and that just made them produce more flowers. I got smaller buds, but more of 'em.)

retread

(3,763 posts)
14. Forgive me for being pedantic. As far as I am concerned, if governments need a pound of
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:47 PM
Nov 2013

flesh in order to legalize weed I am all for it. When they become dependant on the revenue it will be extremely
difficult for them to reverse course.

I am not saying prices will be higher or lower.
I am just saying the % over wholesale as you state it is not 25%.

One last? time:

if wholesale is 100% then adding %15 gives you 115%.

add 2.9% of the 115% and you get about 118%
then add 10% of that you get about 130% so the % increase to consumer from wholesale is about 30% of wholesale.


SlipperySlope

(2,751 posts)
12. If it is the way you explained NOT 25%. You can't just add %'s that way. Total is < 25%
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 04:58 PM
Nov 2013

Final tax could be well below 25%.

Assume the following:

$10,000 bag of wholesale marijuana, taxed at 15%, price to retailer after excise is $11,500.
Bag is divided into 100 retail portions. Price to retailer per portion is $115 per portion.
Each portion is marked up to $250.
One portion sold at retail, taxed at 12.9%, price to consumer is $282.25

Total taxes in that $282.25 are $15.00 + $32.25 = $47.25. That is far less than a 25% tax rate.

Hotler

(11,445 posts)
9. The thing we need to work on now is.....
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:21 AM
Nov 2013

making employers change the way they test to a method the tells if your are under the influence on the job and not what has been in your system for weeks or days. What I do on my on time in privacy of my home off of company property and job sites is none of their business. To me it not a war on drugs as it is a war on weed. Just because it is in your system doesn't mean you are high.

musiclawyer

(2,335 posts)
15. Any state that wants to assure passage of a legal weed measure
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:35 AM
Nov 2013

Has to include language that DUI and random drug testing is confirmed by objective impairment rather than some arbitrary number that shows historical presence of THC having no bearing on whether one is presently impaired ......The testing has not caught up with present day realities, although someone will make bank on this one day .....

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
17. Or not gratuitously insert per se DUID language, as the folks in Washington did.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:04 PM
Nov 2013

Talk about an unnecessary giveaway! The Colorado folks did not include that in their initiative, yet won with the same margin of victory.

But yes, I say test for impairment, not metabolites.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
13. Now the state government will have a reason to promote MJ like they do with gambling
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 05:06 PM
Nov 2013

Ads, billboards, sales in every gas station and corner store... (?)

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