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alp227

(32,034 posts)
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 09:11 PM Nov 2013

Secrecy shrouds Sandy Hook shooting investigation

Source: AP

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — A prosecutor is planning to release a report Monday on the investigation into the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, but the public will have to wait longer for the state police's full accounting of the crime.

The decision to continue withholding the bulk of the evidence is stirring new criticism of the secrecy that has surrounded the probe since a gunman killed 20 children and six educators inside the school on Dec. 14.

While the gunman took his own life and authorities are not contemplating any prosecutions, the lead investigator, State's Attorney Stephen Sedensky III, has gone to court to fight the release of 911 tapes, consulted privately with victims' families on what might be included in the report and resisted calls from Connecticut's governor to divulge more information sooner.

In defense of their handling of records, investigators have cited the scale of the criminal investigation — perhaps the most extensive in Connecticut's history — and consideration for the victims' families, some of whom have lobbied for tighter restrictions on public information and complained of being harassed by conspiracy theorists.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/secrecy-shrouds-sandy-hook-shooting-investigation



See also:

Hartford Courant, State's Attorney's Report On Newtown Shooting To Be Released Monday

Newtown Bee, Llodra Now Calling For Release Of 911 Tapes

(Bridgeport) Connecticut Post, Still fragile, Newtown braces for report

And given the title of this story, you'll be interested in knowing that Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting conspiracy theories actually exist, ranging from the just plain paranoid to racist.
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Secrecy shrouds Sandy Hook shooting investigation (Original Post) alp227 Nov 2013 OP
Based on personal experience, Control-Z Nov 2013 #1
Sounds like that's what they're doing. elleng Nov 2013 #2
I think the tapes and pictures need to be released. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #3
Pictures of 'what' need to be released? Jenoch Nov 2013 #4
The crime scene pictures. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #5
Disagree. Depictions through drawings/outlines kiranon Nov 2013 #6
No. The criminal investigation is over. We should see it all. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #7
No thanks NoOneMan Nov 2013 #8
Not a reason to say no. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #9
I don't care. No NoOneMan Nov 2013 #10
Why should they be released? Theres no public need to see pictures or hear tapes. 7962 Nov 2013 #11
If you're wanting the release of the crime scene photos (the children), Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Paladin Nov 2013 #27
Why should crime scene photos be released to the public? nt uppityperson Nov 2013 #13
I think we need to see the results of the police investigation. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #16
I think your desire to see the bodies of murdered children is outweighed by their family's uppityperson Nov 2013 #19
Oh, I have no intention of ever viewing those pictures, but I do think they should be released. msanthrope Nov 2013 #20
I want to disagree with you... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #28
So you think the pictures ought to be released to the public...... Paladin Nov 2013 #38
Very eloquently stated. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #39
The families of the victims don't want to see their children's bodies printed on the front pages JDPriestly Nov 2013 #14
Minors do deserve special protection. Gun laws would be a good start. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #17
It would be wrong to subject the surviving siblings to that... CBHagman Nov 2013 #15
Those pictures will never be released BeyondGeography Nov 2013 #18
Yes, they will. I agree with Michael Moore...they should be released. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #21
I agree with him, too BeyondGeography Nov 2013 #22
Yes, the conspiracy nuts were out right after this happened. 7962 Nov 2013 #12
There should be no secrecy surrounding this investigation. blackspade Nov 2013 #23
Bullshit. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #26
I believe Americans should see, awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #29
So in your mind, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #31
Did you object... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #33
Yes, I did object. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #34
At least you're consistent. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #37
So because the pictures shouldn't be released... blackspade Nov 2013 #40
I think they shouldn't be released davidpdx Nov 2013 #24
This may sound insensitive shedevil69taz Nov 2013 #30
I disagree. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #32
Me personally shedevil69taz Nov 2013 #35
Fully agree. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #36

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
1. Based on personal experience,
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:03 PM
Nov 2013

I believe the wishes of the victims' families, for tighter restrictions on public information, should be respected.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
10. I don't care. No
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:46 PM
Nov 2013

Its not reasonable. I arbitrarily draw a line here irrationally. And I don't give a fuck. No

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
11. Why should they be released? Theres no public need to see pictures or hear tapes.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:56 PM
Nov 2013

Reminds me of when Dale Earnhardt was killed at Daytona. Some media outlet sued for release of the pictures and the autopsy photos, if I remember correctly. Judge said no. As he should have. Whats the legal reason for them to be released?

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
25. If you're wanting the release of the crime scene photos (the children),
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:03 PM
Nov 2013

then no, unless the parents consent and AFAIK, no parent has consented to that, the wishes of the parents need to be respected.

Response to msanthrope (Reply #9)

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
19. I think your desire to see the bodies of murdered children is outweighed by their family's
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:27 AM
Nov 2013

desire to not have those photos be in the public eye.

Is the only way you can "see the results of the police investigation" by seeing graphic photos of murdered children? How the FUCK does seeing those graphic photos in ANY way show you "results of the police investigation"?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
20. Oh, I have no intention of ever viewing those pictures, but I do think they should be released.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 02:38 AM
Nov 2013

I think America should have access to what the love affair with guns has wrought. I agree with Michael Moore...they should be released.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
28. I want to disagree with you...
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:14 PM
Nov 2013

but can't. Just like the photos of Iraqi children who were victims of our actions there, we need to have the consequences of our actions shoved in our face- maybe one day we will wake the fuck up.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
38. So you think the pictures ought to be released to the public......
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:41 PM
Nov 2013

....and that the gun control movement ought to take full credit for it? Tell you what: why don't we just take up a big money collection for the purpose of providing Wayne LaPierre with free blowjobs for the rest of his life? How much bigger a favor could we possibly do the NRA and the gun militancy movement than what you and Michael Moore are advocating, here? The Gun Enthusiasts would get decades of mileage out of such a bone-headed, insensitive move. And the parents of those poor kids would suffer unimaginable amounts of additional harm and anguish. For Christ's sake, rethink what you're proposing.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
14. The families of the victims don't want to see their children's bodies printed on the front pages
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 11:08 PM
Nov 2013

of the nation's newspapers. I can understand that.

The victims were minors. They deserve special protection in my view.

Fine with me if they wait a specific number of years before releasing them.

CBHagman

(16,986 posts)
15. It would be wrong to subject the surviving siblings to that...
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 11:09 PM
Nov 2013

...as well as other family members, friends, and neighbors.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
12. Yes, the conspiracy nuts were out right after this happened.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 10:58 PM
Nov 2013

There is even a group who thinks that "actors" were used; the killings were setup, etc. There are some out there who make Palin look like a brain surgeon.

Edit: Checked out that wiki page; I've never heard of half of those wacko theories! Jeeze!

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
23. There should be no secrecy surrounding this investigation.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 05:08 AM
Nov 2013

If the report is done, the scale is irrelevant, and the families' wishes do not preempt the public's right to know.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
26. Bullshit.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:06 PM
Nov 2013

The families wishes should most definitely preempt the public's right to see them and that's what seems to be happening here, which I fully support.

Unless the families agree, those pics should never see the light of day.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
29. I believe Americans should see,
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:17 PM
Nov 2013

in full color, the consequences of their obsessions with guns. We need a collective smack in the face.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
31. So in your mind,
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:19 PM
Nov 2013

your politics of gun control outweigh the parents wishes to never have these pictures of their children shown?
That's pretty warped.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
33. Did you object...
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:25 PM
Nov 2013

when photos of dead Iraqi children were released so we could see what our actions there were doing to that country? The problem with this country is we live our isolated little lives and are never forced to come to grips with the fact that we are a barbaric country.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
34. Yes, I did object.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:29 PM
Nov 2013

The public right to know should not, and, as seems to be the case here, is not going to override the parents right to privacy in regards to the photos of their children, if the parents request them to be released, fine, but my understanding is that they have said no and their wishes should be honored.

Victimizing these parents even more to further a cause is, IMO, pretty sick.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
40. So because the pictures shouldn't be released...
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 07:58 PM
Nov 2013

According to you, the rest of the report should be secret as well?
THAT is what I'm talking about.
I really have no interest in the pictures, but the report and diagrams should in no way be secret.
Does that clarify my stance on the subject?
If you think that the whole report should remain secret, then I call bullshit on that.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
24. I think they shouldn't be released
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 07:03 AM
Nov 2013

and the families wishes should be honored. On the other hand it is just going to fuel the conspiracy theorists. They are going to say what they want anyway though.

shedevil69taz

(512 posts)
30. This may sound insensitive
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:18 PM
Nov 2013

but: government prosecutors and LEO work for ALL the people not just the victims of a particular crime. We have a right to information they find out, when it no longer affects any ongoing criminal prosecutions.

 

Ranchemp.

(1,991 posts)
32. I disagree.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:22 PM
Nov 2013

I would have no problem with the release of the official report, but the wishes of the parents to not release the pictures of their children is, IMO, paramount, there is no rational reason to release those pictures without parental consent.

shedevil69taz

(512 posts)
35. Me personally
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:30 PM
Nov 2013

pictures of dead kids don't really provide any meaningful information, and anyone who really WANTS to look at those needs to have their head examined, so if those pictures are withheld I am ok with that. Pictures of the crime scene without bodies in it however, may indeed have significant importance.

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