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TomClash

(11,344 posts)
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:04 PM Nov 2013

Airlines Urged by U.S. to Give Notice to China

Source: NYT

WASHINGTON — On the same day that China scrambled fighter jets to enforce its newly declared air defense zone, the Obama administration decided to advise American commercial airlines to comply with China’s demands to be notified in advance of flights through the area.

While the United States continued to defy China by sending military planes into the zone unannounced, administration officials said they expected civilian planes to adhere to Beijing’s new rules out of fear of an unintended confrontation.

Although the officials made clear that the administration rejects China’s control of the airspace over a large area of the East China Sea, the guidance to the civilian airlines could be interpreted in the region as a concession in the battle of wills with China.

“The U.S. government generally expects that U.S. carriers operating internationally will operate consistent with” notice requirements “issued by foreign countries,” the State Department said in a statement, adding that that “does not indicate U.S. government acceptance of China’s requirements.”



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/30/world/asia/china-scrambles-jets-for-first-time-in-new-air-zone.html?hp





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Airlines Urged by U.S. to Give Notice to China (Original Post) TomClash Nov 2013 OP
It seems like a whole..... JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #1
Except China just gulped up an area the size of the UK ... MindMover Nov 2013 #2
Oh - big deal ! dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #9
Hogwash, I am only 100 yds from the sea .... and my dipsy is always ... MindMover Dec 2013 #12
Civilian airliners, and travelers, shouldn't have to assume any safety risk TwilightGardener Nov 2013 #3
You nailed it. Logical move. Military, though, will do what militaries do. It's expected. freshwest Nov 2013 #4
Right TomClash Nov 2013 #11
Better to play China's silly ass game giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Angleae Nov 2013 #6
We can apply plenty of pressure with our military planes. truthisfreedom Nov 2013 #7
Maybe chest-thumping is not the right answer here. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #8
Well the US wouldn't want another Iran Air Flight 655. dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #10

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
3. Civilian airliners, and travelers, shouldn't have to assume any safety risk
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 12:30 AM
Nov 2013

because of China's jackassery. I don't see how our government could keep private US air carriers from acting in their companies' and passengers' best interests in that part of the world, anyway.

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
11. Right
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 09:41 AM
Nov 2013

We can afford to do this because we are taking an aggressive military posture. It is the smart and safe thing to do.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
5. Better to play China's silly ass game
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 12:47 AM
Nov 2013

Then have them shoot down a commercial flight over a hissyfit about some new airspace they decided to call dibs on today. They have been out of the news for a while & got lonely apparently, something better will come along shortly...

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truthisfreedom

(23,148 posts)
7. We can apply plenty of pressure with our military planes.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 07:15 AM
Nov 2013

Better that china fucks up with our military than our civilians, and if something does happen to our civilians china will have absolutely no excuse.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
10. Well the US wouldn't want another Iran Air Flight 655.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 09:27 AM
Nov 2013

Would it.

Iran Air Flight 655 was an Iran Air flight from Tehran, Iran, to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, via Bandar Abbas, Iran. On 3 July 1988, at the end of the Iran–Iraq War, the aircraft serving the flight, an Airbus A300B2-203, was shot down as it flew over the Strait of Hormuz by SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles fired from the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes. The aircraft, which had been flying in Iranian airspace over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf on its usual flight path, was destroyed. All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, perished.[1] Ranking seventh among the deadliest disasters in aviation history, the incident retains the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world.[2] The Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.[3]

According to the United States Government, the crew incorrectly identified the Iranian Airbus A300 as an attacking F-14 Tomcat fighter (a plane made in the United States and operated at that time by only two forces worldwide, the United States Navy and the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force). Contributing to the error was the fact that the airliner did not respond to several inquiries to change course and did not identify itself clearly as civilian. This was because Vincennes was signaling warnings on a military channel and the civilian plane could not technically receive it.[4] The Iranian government maintains that Vincennes negligently shot down the civilian aircraft. The event generated a great deal of controversy and criticism of the United States. Some analysts have blamed U.S. military commanders and the captain of Vincennes for reckless and aggressive behavior in a tense and dangerous environment.[5][6]

In 1996, the United States and Iran reached "an agreement in full and final settlement of all disputes, differences, claims, counterclaims" relating to the incident at the International Court of Justice.[7] As part of the settlement, the United States agreed to pay US$61.8 million, an average of $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims. However, the United States has never admitted responsibility, nor apologized to Iran.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

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