KCMO police are losing their reputation as people you want around.

So they Never come out

Which is why I question the "Law and Order" types who are quick to claim they'll reserve judgement for when the report comes out

I'm becoming too much of a cynic because of those that assume they have some self-imposed power over the rest of us. Too many KCMO police are starting to be too quick on the trigger or have a tendency for unnecessary 'roughness'.
However the local TV stations don't seem to have a problem reporting police wrong doing, which is good.

There was a time a man had to be armed to get shot. Now cops just shoot you for looking at them wrong.

I don't think one can get injuries from being looked at wrong.

Including why this firefighter is not with his newlywed on his wedding night. Obviously the firefighter was not armed so why didn't the officer use his Taser or did he and it is not written up in the story. Why would a firefighter, even a drunk one on his wedding night, physically attack an uniformed police officer. How did this ravel out of control so quickly.

on his wedding night. It's a crazy world and this is one crazy story

For some reason they had the reception a couple of weeks later:

Cab fares are regulated and metered so why would there even be a discussion on fare? Was the cabbie attempting to gouge? And the police officer could hardly be out cold and also administering CPR or shooting the fireman for that matter. It sounds like somebody thinks there is a need to embellish the story. Why? And if the fireman was fleeing on foot why would he then stop and engage the police officer. I'm not attempting to say who is right and who is wrong, only that so much of this makes no sense. I presume they will check the fireman for drugs in his system as that is about the only thing that could explain some of this and even then it is a weak fit.

or drugged out, as you say, he may have tried the taser first with no effect and it wasn't in the story.

Does the alcohol add resistance to the skin's conductivity?

I Googled and found mention that controlling an inebriated person was a good use of the device in order to minimize injuries.

What happens if someone on drugs is tasered?

Drug use is a common cause of violent and dangerous behaviour, and tasers can be a useful tool in safely subduing drug affected people who can otherwise be very difficult to restrain. Without the use of a taser, subduing drug affected people can lead to injury to both the person and officers.

http://www.police.qld.gov.au/News+and+Alerts/campaigns/taser/FAQS.htm

And it was effective here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2493994/Video-shows-drunk-man-Tasered-Canadian-police-intoxicated.html

You may have a better resource than me. I just Googled at random.

Alcohol will slow the reaction time of a taser down and tasers will have no effect on those high on meth, pcp more times than not.

In the winter sometimes clothing is thicker so you dont get good contact, sometimes probes misfire or one does not hit target. Also it may have been a drive stun. Too mamy questions at this time.

one which I forgot to add.
Thanks.

"Police said" is not enough to convince me that the man actually started to attack him.

What happened to tasers being used in lieu of deadly force? Oh yeah... tasers are for when someone mouths off at you. Deadly force is for when a drunk stumbles towards you, or an 80-year-old in a wheelchair waves a kitchen knife, making you FEAR FOR YOUR LIFE!!

It came right after "the officer performed CPR on Bruno". Although that changed to the cop passed out right after he shot Bruno. Then it changed back to him performing CPR. Who knows? Are there no witnesses other than the police?! I do not trust what police have to say if it involves one of their own.

I didn't say that THIS was a case of a drunk stumbling towards an officer... or of an 80-old-year in a wheelchair. They were just examples of what causes a trigger-happy cop to FEAR FOR HIS LIFE these days and kill someone.

(Disclosure: My brother & nephew were/are cops.)

(Disclosure: I'm also LE, U.S.M.S.)

Northridge Mall security officer supervisor assistant.

I'm not private though, I'm with the federal system.
Didn't the Mall suffer damage quite a few years ago due to an earthquake?

I single handily used my segway to saves a group of nuns who were in imminent danger when a bench fell over into their path as they were walking.

Is this you during the rescue?





LOL, just kidding, you guys take just as much, if not more crap than those of us that are in the public sector, that's why I NEVER look down on your profession, unlike a lot of other cops.
Keep up the good work.

STOLEN VALOR!!!

although why, I don't know?

because at this point, I'm at a loss.

The cop shot him right before passing out. The cop was hospitalized with serious injuries. There are alot of really bad uses of force where the cop/cops are clearly in the wrong. I think this is probably not one of those cases.

Further articles said the cop had a fractured skull and a broken orbital bone.

Allegedly Bruno resisted arrest, and was on top of the officer, hitting him in the head and face. The officer fired two fatal shots before passing out, according to sources with the police department, who said the officer was still unconscious when backup arrived.

http://fox2now.com/2013/12/01/kcmo-fire-dept-kc-firefighter-shot-and-killed-by-kc-police-officer/

The officer, who is a member of the military and a long-time police officer, and others performed CPR on Bruno who was rushed to the hospital, where he would die.

KCTV5 photographer Steve Tur saw the officer after the shooting and said the officer appeared to have injuries.

"The officer was admitted into the hospital with serious injuries," the news release states.

Grant (KCPD spokesman Capt. Tye Grant) said the officer will be OK. On Sunday afternoon, Grant confirmed that the officer's injuries are mainly around the head and face.

"He was hit pretty hard and repeatedly during the fight," Grant said.

He declined to confirm a local blogger's report that the officer suffered a skull fracture and broken bones to his face.

He probably didn't have a taser with him and when he got attacked, used the only defence he had available (since he went unconcious just after shooting the firefighter). I'm sure if this happened just outside the hotel, there will be security cams available for the investigation, but whether or not we get to see them will be the question. For instance, did the cop properly identify himself or did he just jump the FF to get him off the cabby?

It says that the FF took off on foot when he saw the approaching police officer and police officer chased him down where the fatal confrontation took place. No mention of injuries to cabbie, how the bride learned of this or what happened with the drunk guest the FF was trying to get home safely. I've seen about 4 stories on this and the word "Taser" is not mentioned in any of them, including why the officer would not be carrying a Taser. The way the story keeps changing makes one wonder why.

Otherwise, you're in bed with your new wife at 2:30 a.m. on your wedding night.

Why was the cop wearing his uniform while working another job off-duty?

They still wear their uniforms when on a traffic or security type detail.

Police departments act as temp agencies to provide guards to private entities. The police are paid by the private entity, but the police are allowed to wear their uniforms (and, depending on the deal, the city picks up the bill for misbehavior by the copy while on private guard duty).

Some of the night clubs I worked for over the years paid their cops cash, nightly, right from the till. It was a little awkward.

The organisers for a little more money can hire cops to do traffic control, security etc.

possessed this man to turn on the cop and proceed to beat him senseless?

Seen plenty of wedding videos that ended in a brawl because of excessive alcohol.

The autopsy will determine what, if anything, was in his system at the time of the incident.

Just a tragic outcome for all involved.

Cops are too aggressive

The guy was on top of the cop beating him about the head and face, the cop was about to slip into unconsciousness, he has a fractured skull and a fractured orbital socket.
This, if all the reports are true, is a clear case of a justified shooting.

since they contradict each other.

Most reports I've read say the cop performed CPR on Bruno, and do not say that he fell unconscious after shooting him.

Police have not confirmed that injury report ...

http://www.kctv5.com/story/24106086/pd-officer-killing-firefighter-celebrating-wedding
&quot KCPD Captain) Grant confirmed that the officer's injuries are mainly around the head and face.... He declined to confirm a local blogger's report that the officer suffered a skull fracture and broken bones to his face."

Who said the guy was "on top" of the cop??

I do hope there are other witnesses besides the cop in question, or surveillance video. This is not clear at all.

I don't necessarily believe it either. Important word, "allegedly."

I've read numerous articles that say the cop performed CPR with no mention of him passing out. I've read one article that said the cop either performed CPR or passed out. And this one Fox article that says he did pass out and no mention of CPR.

Maybe I'm just too jaded by the wannabe-cop George Zimmerman story, who was also allegedly in fear of his life, and allegedly had someone on top of him beating him, and allegedly sustained injuries, and definitely shot an unarmed kid dead.

Good talking to ya.

Zimmerman is an idiot, the vast majority of police officers are decent people - I know a few. I won't disagree that there are cases of idiot cops, and those few certainly make it tough on the rest.

As far as this news story and a cop performing cpr on Bruno, did the story say it was THE officer that was injured or could it have been another one?

Both allegedly were assaulted by someone on top of them beating them about head & face, both allegedly in fear for their lives, both allegedly sustained injuries. Both definitely shot unarmed person dead.

It has nothing to do with whether they are idiots or not. The stories sound alike.

The articles say it was THE officer who performed CPR...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/02/21721897-newlywed-kansas-city-firefighter-shot-killed-by-off-duty-police-officer
The officer allegedly attempted to administer CPR on Bruno before first responders arrived.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missouri-groom-killed-wedding-reception-off-duty-cop/story?id=21070440
The officer and others gave Bruno CPR before both were was rushed to a nearby hospital, where Bruno later died.

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/12/01/4662331/kansas-city-firefighter-shot-by.html
Police said the officer performed CPR on Bruno, who was a third-generation member of the fire department.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516703/Newlywed-Missouri-firefighter-shot-dead-duty-police-officer-outside-wedding-reception-fight-cab-fare.html
The off-duty officer, who attempted to perform CPR on the victim, was also hospitalized

Except some articles say the officer passed out...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/02/kansas-city-firefighter-shot-dead-at-his-wedding-reception-by-off-duty-police-officer/
The officer shot Bruno twice in the chest, then either passed out and remained unconscious until other officers arrived, or performed CPR on Bruno until other officers arrived.

http://fox4kc.com/2013/12/01/violent-night-kc-police-officer-kills-man-on-same-night-kc-firefighter-is-shot-killed/
The officer, who has been identified as Donald Hubbard, fired two fatal shots before passing out, according to sources with the police department, who said the officer was still unconscious when backup arrived.

I think you just forgot the in your post?

Welcome to DU!

There is more to this story than is out yet.