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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 08:17 PM Dec 2013

Bishops Sued Over Policies On Abortion At Hospitals

Source: NY Times

The American Civil Liberties Union announced on Monday that it had filed a lawsuit against the nation’s Roman Catholic bishops, arguing that their anti-abortion directives to Catholic hospitals hamper proper care of pregnant women in medical distress, leading to medical negligence.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/03/us/lawsuit-challenges-anti-abortion-policies-at-catholic-hospitals.html?_r=0

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Bishops Sued Over Policies On Abortion At Hospitals (Original Post) LiberalElite Dec 2013 OP
Go ACLU!!! perdita9 Dec 2013 #1
Cool! SoapBox Dec 2013 #2
I don't think this is a good idea. If it finds its way to the Supreme Court, loudsue Dec 2013 #3
With a picture of Yoda... iandhr Dec 2013 #5
Why? I think the ACLU has a strong case. pnwmom Dec 2013 #12
ACLU may lack standing to bring action. May need actual persons kiranon Dec 2013 #16
The woman who was harmed is bringing the case with ACLU's help. pnwmom Dec 2013 #17
The RCC is not a force for Good weissmam Dec 2013 #4
It is a bunch of Mysogynic Thugs warrant46 Jan 2014 #31
“This isn’t about religious freedom, it’s about medical care,” ... DreamGypsy Dec 2013 #6
It's way past time. Haters Gon Hate Dec 2013 #7
Hello ~ Haters Gon Hate In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #18
Bankrupt the fuckers!! Go ACLU n/t cosmicone Dec 2013 #8
good dembotoz Dec 2013 #9
First Amendment is about OPTIONAL beliefs. Staying ALIVE is more important. Get outta the way... freshwest Dec 2013 #10
The RCC should not be in the healthcare business. Dawson Leery Dec 2013 #11
This is excellent news! WowSeriously Dec 2013 #13
It doesn't make sense MFrohike Dec 2013 #14
Maybe it would help if you think of the bishops as "corporate directors" making the policies.... Hekate Jan 2014 #25
It doesn't MFrohike Jan 2014 #29
"...he wouldn't owe the patient a duty of care" is one of the more bizarre statements I've read Hekate Jan 2014 #30
Nevermind MFrohike Jan 2014 #32
About time. I can't believe these so - called hospitals have gotten away with this up to now. nt SunSeeker Dec 2013 #15
k&r idwiyo Dec 2013 #19
I don't think we should force religous hospitals to do things that violate their beliefs. Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #20
If not serving bacon would threaten the health of a patient, then yes we should. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #21
Well, pork is a really nutritious food, so you got me there! Let's FORCE people to obey us! Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #22
If pork were necessary to recovery, then yes, a Muslim hospital should be required to provide it. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #23
When religious hospitals decide to take federal tax dollars and insurance company money, they are no okaawhatever Jan 2014 #24
So a woman's life and health are equivalent to a dead pig? Way to miss the point. nt Hekate Jan 2014 #26
You're missing the point on religious beliefs. Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #35
If the Jehovah Witness ran a hospital that refused medically necessary transfusions left is right Jan 2014 #27
Hey, it's their hospital. I'd go to a different one. Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #34
Sometimes an immediate abortion is neccessary to save the mother. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #33
People told me I should have sued 32 year ago HockeyMom Jan 2014 #28

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
3. I don't think this is a good idea. If it finds its way to the Supreme Court,
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 09:00 PM
Dec 2013

we could unleash a whole host of anti-abortion rulings.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
12. Why? I think the ACLU has a strong case.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:46 PM
Dec 2013

It's medical malpractice to let a pregnancy continue after the waters break at only 18 weeks.

And they not only failed to tell her that she should have a therapeutic abortion. They actively interfered with a miscarriage, by giving her medication to stop her contractions after her waters broke.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/12/02/248243411/aclu-sues-u-s-bishops-says-catholic-hospital-rules-put-women-at-risk

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
17. The woman who was harmed is bringing the case with ACLU's help.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 12:04 AM
Dec 2013

She could have died because of the hospital's poor care.

From the OP link:

The suit was filed in federal court in Michigan on Friday on behalf of a woman who says she did not receive accurate information or care at a Catholic hospital there, exposing her to dangerous infections after her water broke at 18 weeks of pregnancy.

In an unusual step, she is not suing the hospital, Mercy Health Partners in Muskegon, but rather the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops

SNIP

 

Haters Gon Hate

(3 posts)
7. It's way past time.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 09:40 PM
Dec 2013

Take religion out of healthcare.

It's a right, not a privelege, and the bishops are celibate. Why do they care about women's parts?

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
14. It doesn't make sense
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 11:34 PM
Dec 2013

On the face of it, this suit really doesn't make sense. The bishops have no duty to the woman regarding her medical care. The logical, and practical, target of a suit like this should be the doctors and the hospital. Given that it's the ACLU, I'd suspect it's an attempt to expand the concept of duty in medical malpractice, but it seems very unlikely to be successful. I'm curious if there's some reason preventing her from suing the hospital or the doctors directly, like a waiver of liability.

Hekate

(90,829 posts)
25. Maybe it would help if you think of the bishops as "corporate directors" making the policies....
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jan 2014

... by which the hospitals must be run on pain of whatever the "corporate directors" can dish out.

Actual women have been harmed; priority is given to the fetus, always. Ireland has a very recent case of an immigrant Indian dentist who was refused a medical surgical abortion despite the fact she was miscarrying, bleeding, and infected. She died of her infection because the doctors presumably detected a heartbeat, or thought they did. Theocracy has a very, very ugly side.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
29. It doesn't
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 03:14 PM
Jan 2014

It could be Bozo the Clown running the hospital and he still wouldn't owe the patient a duty of care.

Hekate

(90,829 posts)
30. "...he wouldn't owe the patient a duty of care" is one of the more bizarre statements I've read
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 04:49 PM
Jan 2014

Can you please explain yourself, MFrohike?

Are you saying that if a person, any person, such as maybe yourself, were to enter a hospital, i.e. an institution the public and the law expect will be a safe place for receiving any of the healing arts -- that in fact there is no legal or moral expectation of same?

And why would you say that?

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
32. Nevermind
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:15 PM
Jan 2014

I think I see the point of the case and I've been analyzing it completely wrong up to now. It might have a shot.

As for the rest, it's only bizarre if you don't differentiate between different actors.

Pterodactyl

(1,687 posts)
20. I don't think we should force religous hospitals to do things that violate their beliefs.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 10:28 AM
Jan 2014

We wouldn't force Muslim hospitals to serve bacon, would we?

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
24. When religious hospitals decide to take federal tax dollars and insurance company money, they are no
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 11:32 PM
Jan 2014

longer just a religious organization. If they don't want to comply with laws, they should remain a purely religious organization. Treat only catholics or get out of the business. Religions long ago abandoned a claim to pure religion in the case of health care. They hire
Doctors and nurses who aren't Catholic. They treat people who aren't catholic. they take money from insurance companies that don't align with their faith. Some catholic hospitals and universities had abortion coverage in the insurance before Obamacare. Why would any Catholic sign the Hippocratic Oath if they know they aren't going to honor it? Allowing a woman to die rather than perform an abortion does not meet the standards required by the Hippocratic Oath.

left is right

(1,665 posts)
27. If the Jehovah Witness ran a hospital that refused medically necessary transfusions
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:39 PM
Jan 2014

I would fight to force them to provide them-despite their religious believe. I would also want Christian Scientist to be forced to prescribe life sustaining drugs

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
33. Sometimes an immediate abortion is neccessary to save the mother.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 07:51 PM
Jan 2014

No one should ever force their beliefs on another and cause them to die. And yet that's exactly what can happen here.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
28. People told me I should have sued 32 year ago
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:55 PM
Jan 2014

Ectopic pregnancy which ruptured. No sonogram which would have TOLD them it was life threatening. No BC monitoring. No IV. Nothing. I lay in that hospital bed for hours and hours until my doctor got there and SCREAMED at the hospital staff.

Right to Life? Well how about MY Right to Life. No hope whatsoever for a 5 week embryo, but I was supposed to die too?

Sorry, don't get me started on this.

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