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iandhr

(6,852 posts)
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:15 PM Dec 2013

Pope Setting Up Commission on Clerical Child Abuse

Source: NY TIMES

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis will set up a commission to advise him on protecting children from sexually abusive priests and on how the church should counsel victims, the Vatican said on Thursday. The step was his first to address one of the most sensitive issues facing his papacy.



The timing of the announcement, two days after a United Nations panel criticized the Vatican over its handling of abuse cases, suggested that the pope and his closest advisers want to be seen to be tackling the issue with greater firmness than in the past.

The announcement was a forthright acknowledgment by the Vatican of the enduring problem of abusive priests, and it fit with Pope Francis’s pattern of willingness to set a new tone in dealing with religious and secular critics of the church.

The suggestion to set up the commission came from the group of eight cardinals brought together by the pope a month after his election in March to advise him on reforming the Vatican’s labyrinthine bureaucracy.


Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/06/world/europe/pope-setting-up-commission-on-clerical-child-abuse.html?hp



Maybe this Pope means business
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Pope Setting Up Commission on Clerical Child Abuse (Original Post) iandhr Dec 2013 OP
Very good news! JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #1
Wonderful!! obama2terms Dec 2013 #2
I hope this is more than just PR or window-dressing......... Swede Atlanta Dec 2013 #3
I guess we will wait and see. iandhr Dec 2013 #4
Not that I disagree with anything you said, but some thoughts: Sgent Dec 2013 #5
This is the real test of him BainsBane Dec 2013 #6
I think he is. AngryOldDem Dec 2013 #8
Very good news! nt babylonsister Dec 2013 #7
Wow! A Commission, You Say ... Upward Dec 2013 #9
Excellent. This is one good man. Hekate Dec 2013 #10

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
1. Very good news!
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:44 PM
Dec 2013

I hope this turns into something of substance. This is a big step in the right direction!

Julie

obama2terms

(563 posts)
2. Wonderful!!
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:12 PM
Dec 2013

I was really hoping this pope wouldn't be the brush it off to the side type, guess I got my wish

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
3. I hope this is more than just PR or window-dressing.........
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:13 PM
Dec 2013

I am going to give Pope Francis a chance to prove himself in this regard but am skeptical.

I wouldn't think he would need a commission for him to understand the basics

1. Don't expect men who are created by God as sexual and emotional beings to be celibate. Although this will never happen in my lifetime I hope the RCC eventually sees this is not how God would want his creations to live

2. Ordain women to broaden the pool of available candidates and bring balance to the priesthood

3. Establish a no tolerance policy around any form of abuse, sexual or otherwise. There is no first chance we move to you a different parish and cover it up and hope you don't do it again. The first time there is a report or suspicion you bring in the civil authorities to conduct a thorough investigation and let the laws of the various lands mete our civil punishment. You can conduct your own investigation but if you find evidence of abuse then defrock immediately.

4. Defrock any bishop, archbishop, cardinal, etc. immediately if it can be determined they even once moved a priest around without reporting it to the authorities and making an independent determination of the allegations and if found true then to immediately remove the priest or whoever from the priesthood.

If they know they will be turned over to the authorities even on the first allegation this will make them think twice before they molest. It may not stop all of them but the civil authorities can then convict them of sex crimes and make them a pariah for the rest of their lives.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
5. Not that I disagree with anything you said, but some thoughts:
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:56 PM
Dec 2013

1) He has already stated that the church should revisit the rules prohibiting married priests. My guess is that if there were a change, it would look much like the Orthodox churches. Married priests are already allowed in the case of episcopal conversions and in a few other cases.

2) Women will probably never be eligible for ordination -- this has been dogma since the beginning of the church. That being said, ordination (of some sort) is only required to administer the sacraments.

Its entirely possible that you could have a woman Cardinal (or similar rank) who sets policy, controls expenditures, etc. Francis has already indicated he wants to see women involved in the upper levels of decision making, and it wouldn't shock me if he named one a Cardinal at some point (its tradition but not dogma that cardinals are also bishops or priests). That being said, I'm unsure if that women would get a vote in the next pope's election.

3) Agree entirely.

4) Removed from any position of responsibility and turned over to the secular authorities I agree with. Even forcibly retiring them to a cloistered order is possible. Defrocking though goes against the idea of forgiveness of sins. They may be incarcerated, but if they were forgiven and reconciled they could still give sacraments to the prisoners.

Whatever else happens, they need to turn over every shred of evidence for crimes both past and present to local authorities and refuse to grant immunity (aka Benard Law), etc. Any allegation, even those which may not be likely, should be turned over to secular authorities for investigation.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
6. This is the real test of him
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:35 PM
Dec 2013

Let's see if he's really committed to ending the Church's role as a safe haven for child rapists.

Upward

(115 posts)
9. Wow! A Commission, You Say ...
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 10:15 PM
Dec 2013

That's um ... great.

I'm sure it will make a lot of people who've never been touched (literally) by this scandal very happy.

For the rest of us, life goes forward without looking towards Rome, thank you very much.

And by the way: anyone who thinks that making changes to what celibacy or gender requirements is going to change anything, that's YOUR agenda for your own reasons. Married men molest children every day. Women molest children every day. Gay people molest children every day.

Hekate

(90,686 posts)
10. Excellent. This is one good man.
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 05:03 AM
Dec 2013

Still praying for his long life in this office, as he is making enemies right and left.

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