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Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:16 PM Dec 2013

Prosecutor: No charges to be filed against anyone in Jameis Winston sex assault investigation

Source: Associated Press

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -
UPDATE: A prosecutor says Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston will not be charged in a sexual assault case.

State Attorney Willie Meggs made the announcement Thursday. The 19-year-old Heisman Trophy candidate was accused of raping a female student in December last year, but Meggs says there is not enough evidence for anyone to be charged in the case.

"We could not meet that burden," Meggs said.

The Tallahassee Police Department turned the case over to Meggs on Nov. 12 after several media inquiries. Meggs interviewed the accuser Nov. 21.

The prosecutor says Winston's DNA matched a sample found in the woman's underwear. But Winston's lawyer, Tim Jansen, has said that was expected and doesn't prove guilt.

Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/state/legal-fate-of-fsu-quarterback-jameis-winston-to-be-answered#ixzz2md5cIqoX


Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/state/legal-fate-of-fsu-quarterback-jameis-winston-to-be-answered



Apparently the accuser could not remember where the incident took place.
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Prosecutor: No charges to be filed against anyone in Jameis Winston sex assault investigation (Original Post) Ganja Ninja Dec 2013 OP
Second person Calista241 Dec 2013 #1
please cite a link to the "second person's dna found", because I have not seen that in any of the niyad Dec 2013 #12
Second person. Calista241 Dec 2013 #16
COVER UP. alp227 Dec 2013 #2
When the complaint was first made Jameis Winston was not really a sports hero. Ganja Ninja Dec 2013 #3
I wonder if she was also tested for GHB? herding cats Dec 2013 #4
Unless GHB stands for Gimme His Balls Dreamer Tatum Dec 2013 #5
OK... herding cats Dec 2013 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author moxybug Dec 2013 #9
Brian Banks. nt Dreamer Tatum Dec 2013 #10
"the sex was consensual, evidently"--based on what?? his word? really?? niyad Dec 2013 #13
Well, it may have been "consensual" liberalhistorian Dec 2013 #28
Yes, they tested for it madville Dec 2013 #25
Dreamer, that is both rude and FairWinds Dec 2013 #6
Yes I have. They evidently have no bearing on THIS case. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2013 #8
again, based on what?? his word? her account of what happened certainly sounds like such niyad Dec 2013 #14
She was not drugged. Calista241 Dec 2013 #17
considering the way the tp handled the investigation, and the implied threats, I tend not to believe niyad Dec 2013 #19
Probably The Correct Legal Decision DallasNE Dec 2013 #11
remorse? definitely do not hold your breath, since his scum attorney is threatening charges niyad Dec 2013 #15
I am wondering what "time constraints" were involved in concluding this investigation? the game niyad Dec 2013 #18
According to Lester Munson on ESPN, there are no such things except for political ones Doctor_J Dec 2013 #26
IF the affidavits from Jameis' room-mates are accurate Alhena Dec 2013 #20
Sad thing is is we will never know. bamacrat Dec 2013 #21
Well that's a big shock Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #22
Kick n/t Tx4obama Dec 2013 #23
I hope Mr. Meggs is telling the truth. iandhr Dec 2013 #24
I hope so, as well, considering that he is an fsu alum niyad Dec 2013 #27

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
1. Second person
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:21 PM
Dec 2013

A second person's DNA was also found, which would have presented enormous complications to any prosecution.

niyad

(113,306 posts)
12. please cite a link to the "second person's dna found", because I have not seen that in any of the
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:02 PM
Dec 2013

reports I have read.

alp227

(32,025 posts)
2. COVER UP.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:36 PM
Dec 2013

Why did the police wait nearly a year to turn this case over to the state attorney? Did that detective really intimidate the accuesr? The police wanted this to happen. They don't want the public to realize a sports hero is also a rapist.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
3. When the complaint was first made Jameis Winston was not really a sports hero.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:51 PM
Dec 2013

The accuser barely remembers anything except for being dropped off the next morning. Apparently other DNA was found as well.
Jameis Winston claims the sex was consensual.

People do stuff all the time when they're drunk that they don't remember and regret later. I this case the cops decided they could not prove rape, only that she had had sex that she had no clear recollection of.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
4. I wonder if she was also tested for GHB?
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:53 PM
Dec 2013

I've been told it's not a standard test usually performed, and it has a short window of time in which it can be detected in ones blood. In a rape case I'm not sure if they test for it by default or not.

Her statements about being "foggy" in her memory sound similar to a situation I know of where it turned out a woman's drink had been"spiked" with GHB.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
7. OK...
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:07 PM
Dec 2013

I'm not sure if your speaking sarcastically, or if you literally don't know what GHB is. GHB stands for gamma-hydroxybutyric acid. It's one of the substances which has been referred to as the "date rape drug" in the media. It causes symptoms similar to those which she appears to have described in her initial report. Which was why I was wondering here if she'd been tested for its presence. Well, that combined with the fact that her blood alcohol was only .04, which is around the equivalent of one drink for a 100 pound person. Which is by no means high enough to have caused her to be so disoriented alone.



Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #5)

liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
28. Well, it may have been "consensual"
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 03:11 PM
Dec 2013

for him, but it sure doesn't sound like it was "consensual" for HER. Of course, what he thought may be all you care about and all that's important, right? As long as the man thinks it's consensual, then that makes it so?

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
6. Dreamer, that is both rude and
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:06 PM
Dec 2013

disrespectful - about what one would expect from a misogynist.
Have you really never heard of "Date Rape" drugs?

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
8. Yes I have. They evidently have no bearing on THIS case.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:09 PM
Dec 2013

That is my point.

Yes, there is a drug called GHB.

Yes it is bad.

Yes it is used to rape women.

BUT EVIDENTLY it is not a factor in THIS CASE.

niyad

(113,306 posts)
14. again, based on what?? his word? her account of what happened certainly sounds like such
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:09 PM
Dec 2013

a drug might have been used. but, so much easier to claim it was consensual, isn't it? that way, we don't have to look at the disgusting behaviour of a footballer, who, at the VERY least, had sex with a nearly unconscious woman. what a great guy he is.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
17. She was not drugged.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:24 PM
Dec 2013

The accuser's blood-alcohol level when taken was 0.04%, which Meggs said was "not very high." He further said investigators extrapolated the data to determine that her BAC was about 0.1%, slightly over the legal limit to drive, at the time of the incident.

"We found no evidence of any drugs of any sort in her blood system." he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/05/justice/florida-state-quarterback-investigation/?c=&page=2

niyad

(113,306 posts)
19. considering the way the tp handled the investigation, and the implied threats, I tend not to believe
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:34 PM
Dec 2013

anything they said.

and, an "extrapolated" bac of "about 0.1 does not generally indicate a blackout-level state of intoxication.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
11. Probably The Correct Legal Decision
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:21 PM
Dec 2013

Another case of a woman that had too much to drink and a man taking advantage of her condition, perhaps being pretty drunk himself. Cases that go to state of mind are next to impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt so it always leaves women very vulnerable and easy prey when not exercising enough self-control with alcohol. But Jameis Winston failed to show self-control of a more ugly nature himself given his superior strength and under age drinking. There are no winners here but only one loser and that was the young woman where Winston took advantage of her drunken condition. By not being charged does not let Winston off the hook. Will he show remorse? I'm not holding my breath.

niyad

(113,306 posts)
15. remorse? definitely do not hold your breath, since his scum attorney is threatening charges
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:11 PM
Dec 2013

against the victim.

niyad

(113,306 posts)
18. I am wondering what "time constraints" were involved in concluding this investigation? the game
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:26 PM
Dec 2013

on saturday? the vote? did not realize there were "time constraints" in such an investigation (the "time constraints" was from the cnn article cited with reference to the second person's dna)

I do hope that the fact that meegs is an fsu alum in no way influenced his investigation.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
26. According to Lester Munson on ESPN, there are no such things except for political ones
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 11:06 PM
Dec 2013

He was either getting political pressure to move on this, or felt personally that he wanted to dispense with it before the Heismann voting.

Alhena

(3,030 posts)
20. IF the affidavits from Jameis' room-mates are accurate
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:56 PM
Dec 2013

and I say, IF, then this does not look good at all for the girl.

They are on pages 63-64 of the Tallahassee PD files released today.

bamacrat

(3,867 posts)
21. Sad thing is is we will never know.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:58 PM
Dec 2013

Maybe Jameis did rape her. Not enough evidence to prove that. Maybe he didn't. Still not enough evidence. I am not a Jameis fan at all but there wasn't enough evidence to prove rape. They should make testing for GhB standard in rape kits, because that would change everything. However, given the fact that there was another man's DNA present adds extra levels of difficulty of proving Jameis did anything other than have consensual sex with the girl.

Meggs seems like a scumbag though, all the smiling and tongue in cheek comments about vindication are gross.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
24. I hope Mr. Meggs is telling the truth.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 08:18 PM
Dec 2013

That this is a legal decision based on he doesn't believe he can prove Mr. Winston guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and not due to his status as a football star.

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