over petty politics.

We need to sweep up all of these damn firearms. We have to stop acting like spoiled children and do what responsible adults do. If not for ourselves then for our children! Oh dammit all to hell.

There are over 300 million firearms in private hands, plus the fact that you have to somehow get around the 2A, so, what's the plan?

Unless you are famous, a politician or very well connected, getting a carry permit is nearly impossible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Jersey

You need to apply EVERY time you wish to buy another handgun and given the paperwork requirement, this works out to at least a 30 day waiting period.

So unless YOU are volunteering to go door to door to confiscate guns, maybe we should spend more time on determing why Newark has such a high crime rate and doing something that might actually fix the problem.

what's the plan for doing so? One that's feasible.

the results on tblue's jury (yes, the pro-gun folks alerted). 6 voted to leave it alone. All six. Most democrats understood that tblue is just fed up with all the deaths, as many of us are.


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ENOUGH!
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Are "take away all guns" pays even appropriate? They make us look bad and are why we can't win elections.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:28 AM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Sounds as though the poster is just venting. No need to take the comment so seriously.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I don't agree with the alerter. Some twisted logic that "we can't win elections" when Obama was just elected to a second term and the Senate is still majority Democratic just 13 monhts ago. A little too sensitive i think.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Yes.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I'm with tblue. And I'm really tired of the NRA shills on this site.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: An opposing point of view is no reason to hide a post so it is silly that a jury is called to adjudicate.
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certainly not one I would alert on.

workable solution - a workable compromise that results in fewer gun-related homicides (and particularly school shootings). I think, generally speaking, many Americans still want to hunt and even have a weapon for protection. I grew up in a rural area where shotguns were preferred - and many had bows for sport hunting.

Now tblue was angry and vented, and I think most of us figured that out. Most wouldn't suggest limiting guns 100% given the history of this country. But the way the NRA is handling this is attack any comment that is not strictly pro-gun and frankly that is not helping.

That's just my opinion on this subject.

what would be the plan for removing 300+ million firearms from private citizens?

NYC is one of the safer large cities in the country, with a fraction of Newark's firearms homicides, while in a state with (while certainly not lax) notably looser gun laws. I've never felt terribly threatened, even in relatively bad neighborhoods.

The NYPD is a dedicated and effective gun-crime-fighting unit, and if your primary concern is with results, you should wholeheartedly support their techniques. Not to mention the lion's share of those concepts and procedures are from quite possibly the greatest gun-safety advocate of the last 50 years..

I quite seriously hope you agree and would be willing to openly advocate for these proven-effective public safety measures to be applied in every police department nationwide. It's by far the most responsible immediate course of action.

maybe it will work elsewhere.

NYC has it's own set of gun laws, apparently NY state does not have state preemption.

NYS isn't too bad; non-semi-automatic long guns were (may still be even with SAFER) pretty much unrestricted. No registration or licensing or anything. I had a couple of bolt rifles (in locked, secured hard cases) for practice and hunting that I duly sent off to Florida when I moved into the City. They're much worse - $350 for the license (at least it's shall-issue for long guns), $125/gun/year, $50 application fee, $85 fingerprinting fee. Apparently not a poll tax, though..

Regardless, it's still pretty much a situation where the laws are approximately equal yet the situations are vastly different. It all comes down to law enforcement activity; if the safety advocates are serious about controlling the violence in Newark they need to honestly, proudly even, back the proven strategies for violence reduction espoused by the NYPD.

Where I live, it costs exactly zero to own a firearm, except of course the cost of the firearm and ammo, no registration, no license to own, no renewal fee each year, no application fee, no fingerprinting fee.

I did a quick check and it looks like for anything other than handguns and "assault weapons" which were both already regulated, little has changed upstate - everyday long arms are still totally unregulated and cost-free besides some trivial safe-storage-from-kids requirement. And the ammo-NICS requirement...which is weird, costly and pointless, and wouldn't affect me anyway since I always roll my own. Still, the laws are so disparate; it reflects the pretty deep redness of everything north of Westchester contrasted to the royal blue of NYC/Longuysland.