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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 05:22 AM Dec 2013

Obama calls on Congress to do more on Guantanamo Bay

Source: Reuters

Obama calls on Congress to do more on Guantanamo Bay
5:30 p.m. EST, December 26, 2013

HONOLULU (Reuters) - President Barack Obama on Thursday gave credit to Congress for relaxing restrictions on transferring detainees from the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to the custody of foreign governments but said lawmakers need to go further.

After signing the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal 2014, Obama noted that Congress retained regulations that prevent the transfer of prisoners to American soil, where they could be tried in federal court.
"The executive branch must have the authority to determine when and where to prosecute Guantanamo detainees," Obama said in a signing statement released during his Hawaiian vacation.

Prosecuting alleged terrorists in U.S. federal court is "a legitimate, effective, and powerful tool in our efforts to protect the nation," Obama said.
The United States also needs "flexibility, among other things, to act swiftly in conducting negotiations with foreign countries regarding the circumstances of detainee transfers," Obama said.

The regulations could remain an obstacle to the administration's years-long bid to close the Guantanamo Bay prison, where 158 detainees from various countries remain after years of detention without trial at the U.S. Naval Base in Cuba. The prison has been condemned internationally.


Read more: http://www.courant.com/news/politics/sns-rt-us-usa-obama-defense-20131226,0,2593934.story

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Obama calls on Congress to do more on Guantanamo Bay (Original Post) Judi Lynn Dec 2013 OP
Just have the Justice Department write a memo. WowSeriously Dec 2013 #1
I don't understand why Congress has anything to say about it. merrily Dec 2013 #2
Only Congress has the authority to FUND Executive Branch activities BumRushDaShow Dec 2013 #4
This is about shipping one or more persons from Gitmo to another country. merrily Dec 2013 #5
It's not about the amount available BumRushDaShow Dec 2013 #7
My prior post covered both the amount and the authorization. merrily Dec 2013 #8
The "budget" is not the same as an appropriation BumRushDaShow Dec 2013 #10
I can see one problem with trying at least some of the detainees in Federal Court Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #3
A lot of the people have been cleared. What would we try them for? merrily Dec 2013 #6
Good question Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #9
Talk, talk, talk. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #11
 

WowSeriously

(343 posts)
1. Just have the Justice Department write a memo.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 08:11 AM
Dec 2013

It's how Bush legalized torture and how you legalized droning.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. I don't understand why Congress has anything to say about it.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 08:13 AM
Dec 2013

He is Commander in Chief and Chief Executive. Besides, he has unlimited pardon power. Surely he can do something far less than a pardon, namely release prisoners that were cleared years ago, meaning they should never have been arrested in the first place.

He also has Constitutional power over foreign relations. Congress has power over commerce with foreign nations, but I don't think releasing a prisoner that we arrested wrongfully to a foreign nation amounts to commerce with a foreign nation.

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
4. Only Congress has the authority to FUND Executive Branch activities
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 09:15 AM
Dec 2013

and money is what is required to do any mass prisoner or personnel transfers or base decommissions and closures (the scope of which currently far exceeds the funding provided for existing authorized functions). The Executive branch has no authority to spend for activities not specifically authorized by Congress in appropriations legislation. Doing such would result in a violation of the Antideficiency Act. But you knew that, right? Unless you believe that jet or ship fuel is free and personnel will volunteer to do the transport without pay and the Antideficiency Act is just a goddam piece of paper?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
5. This is about shipping one or more persons from Gitmo to another country.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 10:53 AM
Dec 2013

I have more than a feeling there is enough money in the budget of the Executive Branch, including the military budget, for a few flights and also enough leeway in the line items in the budget. Jet fuel, give me a break.

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
7. It's not about the amount available
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:14 AM
Dec 2013

It's about how the money is designated to be used. This the same principle behind Congress "defunding" the Vietnam War by not authorizing spending for various operations. When they write these appropriations bills, they will also often explicitly indicate what the funding cannot be used for and sadly with this Guantanamo Bay issue, this is what has happened in the past. For example, see this - http://thehill.com/homenews/house/61549-congress-uses-spending-bills-to-halt-gitmo-closing

It's sad how much DU is completely ill-informed about how the budget and appropriations process works.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
8. My prior post covered both the amount and the authorization.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:19 AM
Dec 2013

The bit about leeway in the line items referred to authorization. The budget is not a specific as you say.

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
10. The "budget" is not the same as an appropriation
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:49 PM
Dec 2013

and yes most of the appropriations bills have portions that are very specific as to what the funding should and should not be used for... particularly for hot-button issues such as this.

For example - CR for FY12

H.R.2055 - Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2012
112th Congress (2011-2012)


(Sec. 8119) Prohibits any federal funds from being used to transfer or release to or within the United States or its territories or possessions Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or any other detainee who is not a citizen or member of the Armed Forces and is or was held by DOD on or after June 24, 2009, at U.S. Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba (Guantanamo).


http://beta.congress.gov/bill/112th/house-bill/2055

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
3. I can see one problem with trying at least some of the detainees in Federal Court
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 08:52 AM
Dec 2013

If they have been tortured, then anything they say subsequently cannot be admissible. See Brown v. Mississippi, 297 U.S. 278 (1936)

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
9. Good question
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:28 AM
Dec 2013

If Khalid Sheikh Mohammed had not been repeatedly waterboarded, he probably could have been tried for involvement in 9/11. But since he was tortured, again and again, he probably cannot.

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