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JI7

(89,250 posts)
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 03:07 AM Dec 2013

US to Proceed with Proseuction of Devyani Khobragade

Source: economic times

The US is proceeding with the prosecution of senior Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade and has no intention to withdraw the case of visa fraud against her.

US sources here said today that more evidence was being gathered against the 39-year-old diplomat before the indictment is filed. The deadline for indictment is January 13.

They conceded, though, that if she gets UN immunity the diplomat cannot be prosecuted or brought to court for the period of the immunity. The case will be in "suspension" but will not be dismissed, they said.

After getting the UN immunity if she went back to India and then again comes on a visit to the US, she could face arrest since the charges would stand, the sources added.



Read more: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/us-to-proceed-with-proseuction-of-devyani-khobragade/articleshow/28156400.cms



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US to Proceed with Proseuction of Devyani Khobragade (Original Post) JI7 Dec 2013 OP
I doubt she would have any desire to return to such a backwater place Teacher in SC Dec 2013 #1
Give me a break. The disgrace here is a woman who is in violation of the Vienna Convention okaawhatever Dec 2013 #4
The maid wasn't strip-searched. Teacher in SC Dec 2013 #14
Odd sense of porportions at work here ...... marble falls Jan 2014 #15
Seriously? What if the nanny agreed to perform a criminal behavior here? Do you teach situational... marble falls Dec 2013 #8
Everything you say is "true", except..... George II Dec 2013 #9
Yes, we are such a horrible nation for prosecuting her for abusing her nanny. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #13
Holy crap I wish our federal prosecutors were this diligent in FLSA violations by Americans Ash_F Dec 2013 #2
From what I understand that's what happened. The nanny went to an organization that works with okaawhatever Dec 2013 #12
India is going to buy some $150 Billion in military hardware cosmicone Dec 2013 #3
Well we can make up for those "thousands of lost jobs" by not allowing any more HB3 Visas for India. okaawhatever Dec 2013 #5
It is unamerican to presume guilt cosmicone Dec 2013 #6
Presumption of innocence applies to the courts, not the Internet. Human traffickers msanthrope Dec 2013 #10
Just got done working with a whole crowd of HB3s from India. HoosierCowboy Dec 2013 #11
Wonderful, let's double down on the stupidity. Lurks Often Dec 2013 #7
good... Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #16

Teacher in SC

(108 posts)
1. I doubt she would have any desire to return to such a backwater place
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 03:47 AM
Dec 2013

as we have exhibited. This whole episode has shone a light on how disgusting our arrest laws are and the lack of respect for women in this country. Apparently, for most women in America it's a matter of "if it's not happening to them, it doesn't matter." Personally, I am not interested in what she was or wasn't paying her nanny as that is something agreed upon in her home country. The disgrace here is the physical treatment of Devyani Khobragade.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
4. Give me a break. The disgrace here is a woman who is in violation of the Vienna Convention
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 09:59 AM
Dec 2013

on Consular Relations, a law signed by the government of India. A woman who laughed in the face of the law as if she were above it. We prosecute people who commit felony crimes in this country. The Indian government had months to respond to this and all they did was issue an arrest warrant for the maid.
Perhaps you should admit you are an individual from India here to bash the United States. Apparently you don't think Indian government officials should have to obey our laws. Here in America WE HAVEN'T HAD SLAVES FOR OVER 100 YEARS, Inedia has them today. I guess we have a different idea of human rights here.
Good to see you're standing up for a criminal who only your country would hold in esteem. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Teacher in SC

(108 posts)
14. The maid wasn't strip-searched.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 11:17 PM
Dec 2013

My comment focused only on the treatment of Devyani Khobragade when she was arrested. This is disgusting, degrading, and is happening all over this country to women. Had she been a known terrorist with behavior that might have endangered those arresting her, you might be able to persuade me to listen to you. She was not. Picking up your children at school is not a crime.

Recently there was video on the news of women in Texas being strip-searched by the side of their cars after officers had pulled them over for speeding/or not on a freeway. There were several cases of this. Someone is getting some sort of cheap thrill from humiliating women in this country. And we thought Governor "Ultrasound" was a joke in Virginia...

You can make all the noise you want to about how these women might have been presumed to be carrying drugs or intending some other nefarious behavior, but this will only seal the case that they were being profiled.

And to my original point, this is not how the U.S. should treat diplomats and other representatives of foreign countries. Period.

marble falls

(57,097 posts)
15. Odd sense of porportions at work here ......
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:05 AM
Jan 2014

Not a word of protest about this event in India which seems more and more a rape culture:


The 16-year-old was assaulted first on October 26 and then again the day after by a group of more than six men near her family's home in Madhyagram town, about 25 kilometres (15 miles) north of Kolkata.

The second rape occurred as she was returning home after reporting the first attack at a police station.

She was then set on fire on December 23 and died in a state-run hospital late on New Year's Eve, police said.

"She gave us a dying declaration in front of the health officials that she was set on fire by two persons close to the accused when she was alone at home on December 23," local policeman Nimbala Santosh Uttamrao told AFP.

Police made their first arrests on Wednesday, two months after the initial crime, local police chief Rajiv Kumar told AFP.

Read more: http://www.jacarandafm.com/post/indian-teenager-gang-raped-and-burned-alive-police/

marble falls

(57,097 posts)
8. Seriously? What if the nanny agreed to perform a criminal behavior here? Do you teach situational...
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 10:45 AM
Dec 2013

ethics to children? Is, for example, slavery OK with you as long as the enslavement was entered into in India?

George II

(67,782 posts)
9. Everything you say is "true", except.....
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 11:01 AM
Dec 2013

....that the lack of respect for women and "if it's not happening to them...etc." should be said about the treatment of the MAID, not the "diplomat"!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
13. Yes, we are such a horrible nation for prosecuting her for abusing her nanny.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 03:40 PM
Dec 2013

What level of threshold would you consider it ok to arrest her? If she beat the nanny? Killed her?

How much would she have to do to be worthy of arrest/prosecution?

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
2. Holy crap I wish our federal prosecutors were this diligent in FLSA violations by Americans
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 04:21 AM
Dec 2013

In most cases, they simply do not bring the case and allow the 3 year statute of limitations to run out.

If your boss ever steals from you, do not rely on the DoL. Pursue private cause of action.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
12. From what I understand that's what happened. The nanny went to an organization that works with
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:03 PM
Dec 2013

immigrants who are abused. This brought forth the claim to the state dept. The state dept. sent a letter of inquiry to the Indian ambassador. the Indian ambassador claims to have written back explaining the circumstances. The government of India issued a warrant for the nannys arrest and within two days the nanny's family were flown to the United States due to what is claimed to be pressure and threats from the Indian government towards her family. Two days later the vice consul general was arrested.
The previous consul from India who didn't pay his worker was dealt with in civil court. He paid back wages and court costs. I think she also went through a private non-profit for help.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
3. India is going to buy some $150 Billion in military hardware
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 09:10 AM
Dec 2013

over the next five years.

Preet Bharara's wanting to prove how good an American boy he has become by giving Indians the third degree will mean American companies losing out on one of the most lucrative markets.

India already purchased $79 billion worth of Rafale fighter jets from France. If the same happens to artillery/tank/helicopter deals it will cost thousands of jobs.

The DoD is already pissed about it because a lack of foreign buyers increases the costs of domestic hardware.

There is no way this case is going anywhere. The state department will end up acceding to the immunity claim and the case will be dropped with prejudice. There is no precedent for keeping a white-collar case against an immune person "on ice."

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
5. Well we can make up for those "thousands of lost jobs" by not allowing any more HB3 Visas for India.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 10:03 AM
Dec 2013

The case may not go anywhere since the Indian government decided to protect the criminal they have working for them. I guess they think visa fraud is a joke. At least she won't be able to return once she leaves and we'll have one less human rights violator in this country. Good for us.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
6. It is unamerican to presume guilt
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 10:37 AM
Dec 2013

the system is based upon a presumption of innocence.

No fraud is proven -- it is simply alleged by a scheming maid who got what she wanted - a US green card for her and her family with free transportation and public assistance until they find a job. I don't know who would hire such disloyal and untrustworthy people - I certainly wouldn't.

If H1B visas are not given, US corporations will just move the jobs to India.

If I were you, I'd play the

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
10. Presumption of innocence applies to the courts, not the Internet. Human traffickers
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 11:13 AM
Dec 2013

don't get my sympathy.

HoosierCowboy

(561 posts)
11. Just got done working with a whole crowd of HB3s from India.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:14 PM
Dec 2013

...all I have to say about them is that an HB3 is supposed to require some skill not available from the existing population. Half of them were fired for incompetence before the first two months, and the rest were just an anchor to the continuation of the project.
Most had marginal English language skills almost impossible to communicate with or to understand. If this is what the HB3 program was supposed to do, it has sadly failed.

One thing you can say about Mexican illegals, is that at least, they know how to pick grapes.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
7. Wonderful, let's double down on the stupidity.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 10:37 AM
Dec 2013

Instead of just PNGing her and sending her home, we're going further anger India by trying to prosecute her.

So instead of working on increasing our ties to India, both as a major economic market and potentially an important military ally against an expansionistic China, we're going to get into diplomatic pissing contest. What idiots at the State Department signed off on this?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
16. good...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:20 AM
Jan 2014

The "brink-of-WWIII" level of outrage from India was one of the most over-the-top things I'd seen in all of 2013...

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