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MindMover

(5,016 posts)
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:11 PM Dec 2013

It's official: Pope has not abolished sin, says Vatican

Source: Reuters/Yahoo

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican felt compelled on Tuesday to deny that Pope Francis had "abolished sin", after a well-known Italian intellectual wrote that he had effectively done so through his words and gestures.

The singular exchange began on Sunday when Eugenio Scalfari, an atheist who writes opinion pieces for the left-leaning La Repubblica newspaper, published an article titled "Francis' Revolution: He has abolished sin".

Scalfari, who held a long private conversation with the pope earlier this year and wrote about it several times, concluded in the complex, treatise-like article that Francis believed sin effectively no longer existed because God's mercy and forgiveness were "eternal".

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi told Vatican Radio that "this affirmation that the pope has abolished sin" was wrong.

Read more: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/39-official-pope-not-abolished-sin-says-vatican-102908946.html



Now to all you non-sinning DUers, you knew this was true all along ...
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It's official: Pope has not abolished sin, says Vatican (Original Post) MindMover Dec 2013 OP
Load of bull. Laelth Dec 2013 #1
He can not abolish sin. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #2
Sin doesn't exist so this is a moot point. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #3
Yes, per Jesse Jackson, the question is moot. Please see below. HERVEPA Dec 2013 #5
He can no more abolish sin than he can bless Santa or make the tooth fairy tithe. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #4
The Pope promised to abolish sin. christx30 Dec 2013 #13
I think that Frost Giant part comes after Fimbulwinter. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #51
but if we don't get to sin, what was the point in killing Jesus? eggplant Dec 2013 #6
To eat him in cracker form on Sunday. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #7
and drink his blood, I always said out loud in the service that it tasted like grape juice .... MindMover Dec 2013 #8
Vampirism in the Catholic church. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #12
Sorry, I will continue, ... MindMover Dec 2013 #14
Maybe a very hairy man ate cracker Jesus during a full moon? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #18
Are werewolves always male ..... ?????? MindMover Dec 2013 #19
Oh, my bad. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #20
This is not funny. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #21
I think it's hilarious. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #22
I have no issue with people questioning religious belief. That is healthy. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #23
I am not mocking anything ... I have done communion thousands of times ... MindMover Dec 2013 #24
Think of it this way. If a progressive person of faith was lurking and saw the resposes in this hrmjustin Dec 2013 #27
A progressive adult person of faith with an adult mind would feel welcome ... MindMover Dec 2013 #30
The belief that a cracker can turn into the body of Jesus deserves to be mocked. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #25
To be fair and balanced, it is symbolism ... MindMover Dec 2013 #26
It is literal for many christians. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #29
Yes and that has been your attitude since you joined. To mock. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #28
Religion deserves to be mocked. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #31
Do what you please. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #33
Again, you are mocking my mocking ... which I take offense too ... MindMover Dec 2013 #32
Whatever. I did not find it funny. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #34
What exactly is not funny .... none of my comments were meant to be funny ... MindMover Dec 2013 #35
Thus I did not find them funny. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #36
Thus, therefore, hereto, unto you, I will say again, they are not funny ... MindMover Dec 2013 #37
Yes I know that. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #38
Then please accept my apologies for offending your religious sensibilities ... MindMover Dec 2013 #39
No harm done. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #40
Thank you ... I was not nor never will make fun of somebody elses beliefs ... MindMover Dec 2013 #41
I sometimes could use a better sense of humor. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #42
Religion and beliefs are a touchy subject and I was having a conversation about my own ... MindMover Dec 2013 #43
Good point. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #44
It's physics-- a substance can be in two states... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #48
I really hope you're kidding. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #52
Only a little-- there's a lot of nuttiness in religion, but... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #53
not funny! hrmjustin Dec 2013 #10
Actually, it was kind of funny. n/t bitchkitty Jan 2014 #54
We disagree but that is ok. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #55
Thus he can not abolish sin. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #9
So he wouldn't be able to walk on water anymore... snooper2 Dec 2013 #49
Sin is pretty much LiberalElite Dec 2013 #11
You forgot the "Not from The Onion" disclaimer rocktivity Dec 2013 #15
But, but but its not from the Onion .... this is the bizarro world we live in ... MindMover Dec 2013 #16
How about purgatory, Limbo, mortal and venial sins? Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #17
God damn it. Orsino Dec 2013 #45
UU in the Vatican? Android3.14 Dec 2013 #46
''The Pope has not abolished something that does not exist.'' - The Vatican DeSwiss Dec 2013 #47
It's silly for anyone to think this Pope is really different RainDog Dec 2013 #50

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
1. Load of bull.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:14 PM
Dec 2013

What Francis did was to call out the sins of the privileged class--greed, avarice, exploitation, calloused indifference to the suffering of others, war, and presumption. His focus on the evils of predators among us is the source of this particular attack.

-Laelth

christx30

(6,241 posts)
13. The Pope promised to abolish sin.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:35 PM
Dec 2013

Odin promised to defeat the Frost Giants.

I don't see any Frost Giants around.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
51. I think that Frost Giant part comes after Fimbulwinter.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 04:27 PM
Dec 2013

In the meantime, the Frost Giants are doing a pretty good job around here. The last several mornings we've had to send out rescue parties to break dogs loose from fire hydrants.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
12. Vampirism in the Catholic church.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:33 PM
Dec 2013

I prefer to dip cracker Jesus in blood. It takes away the dryness.

MindMover

(5,016 posts)
14. Sorry, I will continue, ...
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:37 PM
Dec 2013

but I always thought this is where the origins of Vampirism sprang ... I just cannot figure out werewolves origin ....????

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
20. Oh, my bad.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:50 PM
Dec 2013

They can be either male or female.

Maybe a hirsute male or female ate cracker Jesus during a full moon.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
23. I have no issue with people questioning religious belief. That is healthy.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:57 PM
Dec 2013

But mocking religious faith is ugly.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
27. Think of it this way. If a progressive person of faith was lurking and saw the resposes in this
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:02 PM
Dec 2013

Thread, would they feel welcome?

MindMover

(5,016 posts)
30. A progressive adult person of faith with an adult mind would feel welcome ...
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:07 PM
Dec 2013

A progressive adult person of faith with a child like ignorance about God and faith could imagine a lot of vampires in drinking the blood of Jesus ...

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
31. Religion deserves to be mocked.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:08 PM
Dec 2013

It's ridiculous, superstitious, and rooted in absolutely nothing but scaring and controlling the population. And giving the leaders power.

MindMover

(5,016 posts)
37. Thus, therefore, hereto, unto you, I will say again, they are not funny ...
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:16 PM
Dec 2013

because I did not want them to be funny ....

MindMover

(5,016 posts)
41. Thank you ... I was not nor never will make fun of somebody elses beliefs ...
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:21 PM
Dec 2013

Now on the other hand, I can make fun of my own beliefs 24/7 ....

MindMover

(5,016 posts)
43. Religion and beliefs are a touchy subject and I was having a conversation about my own ...
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:29 PM
Dec 2013

beliefs as a child learns and accepts and then as an adults mature thoughts about religiosity...

and yes, we all sometimes need to review our "get on the stump and scream button" on these blogs ...

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
48. It's physics-- a substance can be in two states...
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 04:08 PM
Dec 2013

when we can perceive only one of them.

Religion recognized that long before science did.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
53. Only a little-- there's a lot of nuttiness in religion, but...
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 08:23 PM
Dec 2013

there's also a lot of ignorance when looking at it from the outside.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
11. Sin is pretty much
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:32 PM
Dec 2013

the raison d'etre for many religions, including the R.C. Church. If the Pope abolished sin, he'd be out of a job.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
17. How about purgatory, Limbo, mortal and venial sins?
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:41 PM
Dec 2013

Not to mention the "original sin" "on your soul" that needs to be erased as quickly as possible by Christening?

Anyone else here of a certain age who remembers this stuff from a Catholic education?

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
46. UU in the Vatican?
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:53 PM
Dec 2013

Nope.
The oil companies learned it from the Catholics. Refilling the tank of the soul is a guarantee of repeat business.
Of all sects with the Christian realm, I've always like the Unitarian Universalists, which believe that when Jesus died for our sins, he did so for everyone forever.
Unitarians are still a small church.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
50. It's silly for anyone to think this Pope is really different
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 04:27 PM
Dec 2013

What's different is that he has dared to speak out about neo-liberal economic policy and call it the failure that it is.

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