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JI7

(89,250 posts)
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 04:07 PM Dec 2013

NYC Sues FedEx for Illegally Shipping Cigarettes to Homes

Source: metro

New York City has sued FedEx Corp, accusing it of illegally delivering millions of contraband cigarettes to people’s homes and seeking $52 million in fines and unpaid taxes.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, marks one of the last acts by the administration of Mayor Michael Bloomberg, whose more than decade-old campaign to ban smoking in various public and private places has been credited with saving thousands of lives and become a blueprint for other cities.

According to the city, package delivery company FedEx created a “public nuisance” through its partnership with Shinnecock Smoke Shop, located on the Shinnecock Indian Nation reservation in Southampton, N.Y., to ship untaxed cigarettes to residential homes.

FedEx allegedly did so despite, and even while negotiating, a February 2006 agreement with New York State’s then attorney general, Eliot Spitzer, to stop such deliveries in the state, an agreement later expanded to cover deliveries throughout the country.


Read more: http://www.metro.us/newyork/news/local/2013/12/31/us-fedex-newyork-smoking/

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NYC Sues FedEx for Illegally Shipping Cigarettes to Homes (Original Post) JI7 Dec 2013 OP
Not sure I agree with this. Are there violations of privacy involved? Regardless, they should also lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #1
maybe they think fedex knowingly did it for their own profit JI7 Dec 2013 #2
yup lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #3
That would be my assumption - if Fedex is picking up hundreds of boxes daily from the Smoke Shop dbackjon Dec 2013 #4
I understand the point lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #5
New York charges christx30 Dec 2013 #7
The health care and disability cost associated with each pack of cigarettes is more than the taxes. Julian Englis Dec 2013 #8
Again, people want cheaper cigarettes christx30 Dec 2013 #10
...or they could, you know, continue to tax cigarettes... Chan790 Jan 2014 #16
Ridiculous billhicks76 Dec 2013 #6
Wrong on all counts quakerboy Dec 2013 #9
Very little of tobacco taxes goes towards prevention or effects of smoking Ino Dec 2013 #11
Just because. beevul Jan 2014 #13
Exactly billhicks76 Jan 2014 #17
As I read I wondered if it is going to be turned into some anti-regulatory argument Todays_Illusion Dec 2013 #12
Interesting Heathen57 Jan 2014 #14
Adios to the Billionaire Nannie warrant46 Jan 2014 #15

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
1. Not sure I agree with this. Are there violations of privacy involved? Regardless, they should also
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 04:57 PM
Dec 2013

sue the recipients of the cigarettes also I would think. Aren't they asking FedEx to act as an enforcer?

In California a few years ago we had proposition 187, which required teachers and doctors to report illegal immigrants. California had the good sense to vote it down.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
4. That would be my assumption - if Fedex is picking up hundreds of boxes daily from the Smoke Shop
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 05:25 PM
Dec 2013

You could make a reasonable assumption.


This is designed to skirt taxation laws - we don't like it when the 1% do it, we shouldn't like it when anyone does it.


If you want your tax-free Indian Cigarettes, drive to the Rez. Otherwise, you are breaking the law.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
7. New York charges
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 05:46 PM
Dec 2013

$4.35 in tax for each pack of cigarettes. Maybe if the taxes were of a more reasonable rate (maybe $2 or $2.50), people wouldn't want to skirt the tax laws.

Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
8. The health care and disability cost associated with each pack of cigarettes is more than the taxes.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 06:19 PM
Dec 2013

The taxes aren't high enough as they don't cover the cost cigarettes place on smokers and the rest of society.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
10. Again, people want cheaper cigarettes
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 07:04 PM
Dec 2013

because of what they view as unreasonable taxes on their vice. The cost to society are not their problem. They are just trying to live their lives. They have a choice of paying $4 a pack at the rez or nearly $10 in the city. If they can save money by going around the law, you have to make the law more reasonable. Make it more expensive to go elsewhere. How much is shipping? Make the cost less than that. Getting something is better than getting nothing.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
16. ...or they could, you know, continue to tax cigarettes...
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:49 AM
Jan 2014

and move to do what CT did...and prosecute individuals buying on the rez (a sovereign nation, co-existing and outside US legal jurisdictions) and transporting tobacco into the state for purposes of tax-avoidance. (It's a fine. Getting caught and fined $500/pack makes cheap cigs less appealing.)

And no, you don't have to make the law more reasonable...the law exists for a reason. I wish the revenues gained were earmarked for smoking-cessation and other specific anti-smoking activities but they're not.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
6. Ridiculous
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 05:39 PM
Dec 2013

This guy really has it out for cigarettes. Adults should be able do ingest whatever they wish...no government, religion, corporation or civic group can tell somebody what to do with their own bodies. These people think they are God...it's appalling.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
9. Wrong on all counts
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 06:48 PM
Dec 2013

1) Religious, government, and corporate groups often tell people what to do with their bodies. Or, more often, what not to do.
We mandate people not to commit suicide.
We mandate people not to use PCP for recreational purposes.
We even have made it so you cant buy pseudophed in many places.

2) Specific to taxes on cigarettes... All it is is asking smokers to start paying their fair share. It doesn't tell anyone what to do, or not to do, it just helps put the cost of their actions back in their own pocketbook. If we could do the same with the oil companies and the like for the products of their industry, the world would be far better place.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
11. Very little of tobacco taxes goes towards prevention or effects of smoking
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 07:55 PM
Dec 2013
http://www.cancer.org/myacs/eastern/areahighlights/cancernynj-news-ny-tobacco-funds-up-in-smoke

Almost all the money from taxes & the huge tobacco settlements goes into states' general funds where it's spent on anything and everything. Government is DEPENDENT on tobacco taxes... they don't really want smokers to quit.

They spend a token amount on smoking cessation, and the rest goes to fund street repairs or whatever non-smokers also use.

Where are they going to get all that tax money as more and more smokers quit?

I think a child has sickened & died every year since I quit, seeing as how I'm not paying for SCHIP any more.
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
13. Just because.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 01:32 AM
Jan 2014

"1) Religious, government, and corporate groups often tell people what to do with their bodies. Or, more often, what not to do.
We mandate people not to commit suicide.
We mandate people not to use PCP for recreational purposes.
We even have made it so you cant buy pseudophed in many places."

Just because "we do it" doesn't make it right.


 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
17. Exactly
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:08 PM
Jan 2014

Bloomberg made it illegal to smoke cigarettes unless you're 21 or over. But you can be tried as an adult much younger and even die in wars abroad. Embracing the nanny state will lose elections.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
12. As I read I wondered if it is going to be turned into some anti-regulatory argument
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 11:36 PM
Dec 2013

about Congress not states and cities regulating national commerce.

Heathen57

(573 posts)
14. Interesting
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 03:01 AM
Jan 2014

The government can't make a buck off the reservation who is selling tobacco legally without taxes, so they have to go after a company expecting them to cover the taxes. Technically, and with their agreement in legal question, all parties are not doing anything illegal.

They must know this since they are charging FedEx with a public nuisance. That is a trumped up charge and used only if they can't think of anything else.

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